thug got shot and crying

[C-DIFF PHIL RN]

was workin one of my part time er gigs at a local hospital today. well there was alittle shoot out in the local hood. bunch of shots fired but only one fella got hit. ems brings in this cat 28yo with two gun shot wounds one to lt upper abd and rt bicep with now exit wounds. to be honest it was sort of tense for the first 30-45min. guy was hypotn and squirtin blood out the arm wound pretty good. what i saw while we were cuttin clothes off him was the usual thug like tats and items. now this guy was known to a few er techs of being a local bad ass sort of a bully. well i think he lost his rep cuase this cat was screamin and cryin like a baby the whole time...he was literally yellin for his mama and begin us to save his life. i was told this was the same fella that spent 4 yrs in state pen for armed theft and assualt and rumored murders..now he was lying supine in truama room #2 crying, begin for his mamma. if it wasnt for hippa i would have videoed his thug ass and posted it on youtube for the world to see what a tough fella this cat was....now before all you bleedin heart nurses get on here and blast me for pokin fun at a patient who was in pain let me defend my actions by saying it was funny crap and i'll do it again when a meat head wannabe gangsta comes kickin and screamin after being shot, cut or beatdown into the er pleadin for his momma...now thats funny:lol2: i dont care who you are... post note, cat went to surgey speenectomy, arterial graph to arm, off the vent restin nicely in the unit on morphine pca, best part is im paying the ******* bill!!!!!!

[caroladybelle, BSN, RN]

I couldn't get past the language, spelling, and punctuation in the OP...but maybe it's me, a white city boy from the NW.

It's not just you. This southern girl from the east thought the manner of expression was annoying to no end.

If you are working with this "cat", it should have four paws, purr and would have no HIPAA rights.

It really is a bit silly to be putting down "thugs", using "thug" like language, punctuation, and grammar. I can deal with the need to vent, and you don't need to be an Oxford scholar but try to look at least minimally better educated than those that you "be dissin".

[caroladybelle, BSN, RN]

This is also a lot of personal info about this pt - its easy to find folks on the internet and would doubt you want your hospital knowing you are posting this on the internet.

Unfortunately, in these United States, the scenario is so common that it is doubtful that it could be tracked to a single place....more likely it could be a few dozen places on a given night.

[nursel56]

I see the Emergency Department nurses getting the "tsk-tsk shame on you :nono:" lecture quite frequently so I'm sure ThrowEdNurse had just had enough of it and it is evident. I have to admit I was put off by the mocking tone of the OPs post and all the vernacular overkill - but strip that all out, and what you have is a person (the thug) with little regard for the value of someone else's life, a galling sense of entitlement and expectation about how his life should be treated and valued, and absolutely zero understanding of who or how it happens that individuals with decades of education bust their humps to save him, and, icing on the cake- our blood, sweat and tears (through taxes) bankroll the whole mess. He will then likely continue the behavior after he recovers, a final "---- you!" to the surgeons, nurses and whoever else who provides him with his first class treatment for trauma. It is senseless! Lord forgive me for saying this, but sometimes I think, well all of these give the trauma surgeons top of the line training and experience that will end up benefiting me, my children and innocent victims of violence, an accident or natural disaster.

[ThrowEdNurse, BSN, RN]

I see the Emergency Department nurses getting the "tsk-tsk shame on you :nono:" lecture quite frequently so I'm sure ThrowEdNurse had just had enough of it and it is evident. I have to admit I was put off by the mocking tone of the OPs post and all the vernacular overkill - but strip that all out, and what you have is a person (the thug) with little regard for the value of someone else's life, a galling sense of entitlement and expectation about how his life should be treated and valued, and absolutely zero understanding of who or how it happens that individuals with decades of education bust their humps to save him, and, icing on the cake- our blood, sweat and tears (through taxes) bankroll the whole mess. He will then likely continue the behavior after he recovers, a final "---- you!" to the surgeons, nurses and whoever else who provides him with his first class treatment for trauma. It is senseless! Lord forgive me for saying this, but sometimes I think, well all of these give the trauma surgeons top of the line training and experience that will end up benefiting me, my children and innocent victims of violence, an accident or natural disaster.

:yeah:

WOW!!! Thank you so much for totally getting it and nailing it on the head. You have accurately articulated something I have fruitlessly attempted to explain many times. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

[nursel56]

:yeah:

WOW!!! Thank you so much for totally getting it and nailing it on the head. You have accurately articulated something I have fruitlessly attempted to explain many times. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

. . . and thank you, too! My mama always told me those high verbals on my SAT might come in handy someday. . (Just kidding). Feels good to hit the mark. That's allnurses at it's best.

[GilaRRT]

dear gilarn,

no, i am not being judgemental.

sure you are, you stated people lacking in some prescribed type of experience who make judgments could not hang in a specific environment. we really have no idea if this is true.

i am being protective and defensive. why do you care if i am being judgemental against people attacking er staff?

i don't really because this is more of an academic discussion based on nebulous concepts of thoughts and judgments. however, it is still nice to consider both sides of the argument. i am just pointing it out.

i also never noted where the op stated that he acted in any inappropriate manner.

i agree.

an inappropriate action like attacking someone on a web site?

i have called people out for outright judgments of the op's abilities based on the op's post and thoughts. there is no indication that the op acted unprofessionally.

is that what you mean?

as i stated we all make judgments. as people have stated, the op's method of articulating may have led them to make a certain judgment. personally, i think the op was probably blowing off some steam. as i stated in an earlier post, i have said some harsh statements during or following a stressful incident.

[ThrowEdNurse, BSN, RN]

Okay, Gila, if you want to be like that, I am too busy to be bothered. Just know that I can be as petty as you have been. I could have spent an hour or so, breaking down statement by statement each and everyone of your thoughts with counterpoints. However I am gainfully employed at a real hospital as opposed to McDisneyland where I can only assume you either volunteer or work. (yes that's obviously an ugly, immature dig. Go ahead and quote it, I guarantee I won't cry.) I could also over analyze everything said here, but the thing is, I have a life and just don't care that much. Saying things like "people who lack in some prescribed type of experience who make judgements" BLAH,BLAH,BLAH, um, get over yourself. It's not that serious. Take a breath, put your attorney on retainer and move on. And yes, it is true! There I said it, therefore it is!! EAT THAT!!! Hey, I have an idea,why don't you blow this all out of proportion??? Get over it. "It's nice to consider both sides of the argument," after all. Did you look up nebulous on wikipedia or did you use your high school dictionary?

[GilaRRT]

Not petty IMHO. I am trying to point out that humans mentally pass judgment all day long. You may not think you are judging people but you are. However, I say that with the preface that it's ok until our actions become harmful. If we as humans were more upfront about our faults, communication would be much easier between different races, societies, countries, and so on. Perhaps, the world would be a better place?

[ThrowEdNurse, BSN, RN]

Not petty IMHO. I am trying to point out that humans mentally pass judgment all day long. You may not think you are judging people but you are. However, I say that with the preface that it's ok until our actions become harmful. If we as humans were more upfront about our faults, communication would be much easier between different races, societies, countries, and so on. Perhaps, the world would be a better place?

Ummm, I guess all I can say is thanks for proving my original point???? Why did you bother to argue it since you obviously agree. Also I never said I never judge anyone. It's how I stay sane.

[traumalover, RN]

Really seriously everyone chill out. I've worked ICU and ER. Agree to disagree, please, I enjoyed the thread until the personal attacks. Everyone has gotten frustrated with a pt. I have said things I didn't mean, and things I did, and gotten in trouble for both. That being said, I have moved past that cynical part. I'm still cynical, but I do try to have a modicum of decency and compassion for everyone. For me that is not always possible, and then I beat myself up for not having that compassion for everyone. All I can say is I do try to do the best for all my patients, no matter how stupid or misguided they may be. And a lot are.

[Larry77, RN]

Ok...I've been on this site for a long time and it seems the arguing has gotten a lot worse lately. Can't we all just get a long? ThrowEDNurse--you crack me up but you seem to invite confrontation...GilaRN--a agree, get over yourself and lighten-up, you remind me of all the psych nurses I worked with years ago.

OK, I've said my peace now let's have fun on this site, share experiences, vent, and learn...not fight like ED and ICU nurses :-)

[Altra, BSN, RN]

Okay, Gila, if you want to be like that, I am too busy to be bothered. Just know that I can be as petty as you have been. I could have spent an hour or so, breaking down statement by statement each and everyone of your thoughts with counterpoints. However I am gainfully employed at a real hospital as opposed to McDisneyland where I can only assume you either volunteer or work. (yes that's obviously an ugly, immature dig. Go ahead and quote it, I guarantee I won't cry.)

ThrowEdNurse ... I love ya ... but that was over the top.

GilaRN can certainly speak for himself (or not) to whatever extent he wishes to ... but for God's sake he has been working in AFGHANISTAN so yes, he is entitled to ponder the emotional aspects of working trauma just as much as those of us working in this nation's urban ERs. When the shift has been so bad that I can see some of my coworkers and myself drifting into that emotional twilight zone where you have to suppress your natural inclination to try to make logical and moral sense of what you have seen ... it is my coworkers with combat/military field experience are often the best at holding it together.

(and GilaRN ... thank you for your service)