This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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From the article;

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"Our platforms are for everyone – we're about promoting speech and helping people connect in a safe and secure way. As part of this, we regularly hear from governments around the world and others with various concerns around public discourse and public safety."

Nothing unusual from the Biden administration.  

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Beerman said:

I'm surprised  no one thought of this bit of news to be interesting. 

"Meta CEO admits Biden-Harris admin pressured company to censor Americans

Mark Zuckerberg: 'I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it'"

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/meta-ceo-admits-biden-harris-admin-pressured-company-censor-americans

That's how FOX titled info while ABC News reported

Zuckerberg: White House pressured Facebook over some COVID-19 content
 

Responsible actions to protect public health and safety from a novel respiratory virus-- when thousands of people dying per day from COVID requiring some hospitals to have refrigerated trailers to hold bodies.   How soon some forget .

Government providing Free Covid tests, coming back in late September 2024 as COVID rates unexpectedly increased  over this Summer and expected higher this fall. 

2019:RAND: Fighting Disinformation Online

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The rise of the internet and the advent of social media have fundamentally changed the information ecosystem, giving the public direct access to more information than ever before. But it's often nearly impossible to distinguish accurate information from low-quality or false content. This means that disinformation—false or intentionally misleading information that aims to achieve an economic or political goal—can become rampant, spreading further and faster online than it ever could in another format.

2023: On Disinformation: How to Fight for Truth and Protect Democracy

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The effort to destroy facts and make America ungovernable didn't come out of nowhere. It is the culmination of seventy years of strategic denialism.

2024: Attack from Within: How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America

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An urgent, comprehensive explanation of the ways disinformation is impacting democracy, and practical solutions that can be pursued to strengthen the public, media, and truth-based politics

 

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Beerman said:

I'm surprised  no one thought of this bit of news to be interesting. 

"Meta CEO admits Biden-Harris admin pressured company to censor Americans

Mark Zuckerberg: 'I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it'"

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/meta-ceo-admits-biden-harris-admin-pressured-company-censor-americans

It's only. interesting that's Zuckerberg said this in a letter to Jim Jordan.  Why did Zuckerberg even get involved with a person as unhinged as Jordan.  He happened to not mention that Facebook was spreading dangerous disinformation.  Obviously a bromance exists between these two defectives. Zuckerberg is not a friend to America.  Another Dr. No like Musk.

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

From the article;

Nothing unusual from the Biden administration.  

Their statement:

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In response, the White House said in a statement that, "When confronted with a deadly pandemic, this Administration encouraged responsible actions to protect public health and safety. Our position has been clear and consistent: we believe tech companies and other private actors should take into account the effects their actions have on the American people, while making independent choices about the information they present.”

In an era where a lot of people get their news and information from social media asking social media companies with hundreds of millions of subscribers to act a little responsible in making sure what people see on their website, is reasonable, especially at a time people are dying and accurate information is vital.  

Zuckerberg thinks the pressure was wrong and it's his right to think so and to express that.  Republicans have always felt targeted but it did seem that Trump supporters and extreme right wing groups were more into the conspiracy theories.  They are still mad about covid response,

Trump wasn't exactly quiet over social media regulation  https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/tech/fcc-social-media-petition/index.html

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Beerman said:

I'm surprised  no one thought of this bit of news to be interesting. 

"Meta CEO admits Biden-Harris admin pressured company to censor Americans

Mark Zuckerberg: 'I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it'"

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/meta-ceo-admits-biden-harris-admin-pressured-company-censor-americans

I did but didn't feel like sharing "right wing propaganda ".. . 

heron said:

Just curious ... how is this different from banning books?

I don't know that it is different.

It sounds like you see the problem with the government pressuring a media platform with the purpose of controlling what Americans read.

Should whoever is responsible within the administration be fired or impeached?  Do you think the Harris administration might try similar shenanigans with the First Amendment?

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Beerman said:

I don't know that it is different.

It sounds like you see the problem with the government pressuring a media platform with the purpose of controlling what Americans read.

Should whoever is responsible within the administration be fired or impeached?  Do you think the Harris administration might try similar shenanigans with the First Amendment?

Yes.  I think the Harris administration will expect media outlets to publish truth and to limit the lies that people can spread during a pandemic or other national emergency. Trump supporters might consider that to be "shenanigans" I suppose.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Yes.  I think the Harris administration will expect media outlets to publish truth and to limit the lies that people can spread during a pandemic or other national emergency. Trump supporters might consider that to be "shenanigans" I suppose.  

"Expecting" is one thing.  Using its power and influence to try and controll what you and I read is another.  The member I was replying to equated it to book banning.

nursej22 said:

I'm not sure, but I think this was  regards to the Biden administration pressuring Facebook to block disinformation about COVID-19, reasoning that the public interest outweighed Facebook posters' First Amendment rights.

You don't yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre, you don't tell people that masks are useless and to eat horse dewormer. 

You are making assumptions that it was only disinformation that the administration was trying to suppress. 

Anyway, the government still is not to suppress free speech.  

There is no law against yelling fire in a crowded theatre.   You might be charged with disturbing the peace, or manslaughter if someone is killed in a stampede, or some other crime.  The first amendment won't protect you in that case.

Do you have any other examples of the government suppressing citizen's speech "in the name of public interest "?  Would you be OK with a Republican administration pressuring Facebook to censor?

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Beerman said:

Would you be OK with a Republican administration pressuring Facebook to censor?

Would you be? 

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/863932758/stung-by-Twitter-trump-signs-executive-order-to-weaken-social-media-companies

Do you remember when a witness in one of the hearings about Hunter's laptop said that Trump pressured a social media platform to suppress the free speech of another user? 

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3849819-trump-asked-Twitter-to-take-down-derogatory-tweet-from-chrissy-teigen-whistleblower/

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Beerman said:

"Expecting" is one thing.  Using its power and influence to try and controll what you and I read is another.  The member I was replying to equated it to book banning.

So how is the government controlling what you read or hear different from book banning? 

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toomuchbaloney said:

So how is the government controlling what you read or hear different from book banning? 

Because the "book banning" that you are referencing isn't "book banning". It's removing inappropriate material from the access of children in school.These books are readily available in libraries and on line.  If the government removed this inappropriate material from the libraries and prevented sales, this is "book banning". 

So I guess Facebook removed "inappropriate material" that the government in power said was "inappropriate " and pressured them to do so.. Last time I checked governments restricting and and using their power to influence the public on what can or cannot be read wasn't democracy it was fascist.  

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