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Also the people who are unemployed and can qualify to be a nurse - why can't they be re trained? Are American suppose to be unemployed while we import help?

I dont think that is what misswoosie meant.

Out of all the unemployed people in the US (and the UK, we now have a record level of unemployment) not everyone will want to retrain as a nurse.

If they do great. But nursing does not appeal to everyone and if the only reason to train as a nurse is because you are unemployed, I personally dont think thats a good enough reason. I feel you have to want to be a nurse, not felt pushed into it by economic reasons. Just my :twocents:

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A couple of questions, when US citizens are commenting on the need for nursing at they employed in the health field.

Also the people who are unemployed and can qualify to be a nurse - why can't they be re trained? Are American suppose to be unemployed while we import help?

I don't think they do it that way in the UK?

Would I be allowed to come to the UK right now, if I qualified? I don't think so

Some are employed in Healthcare,some are not,but the point is that they are US citizens living in the US and they can reason that if there is a nursing shortage then this may affect their health and healthcare provision.

Of course if unemployed people wanted to train to be nurses then that would be great, but who would you rather have looking after you if you were a patient, a nurse with little experience who was forced into nursing due to unemployment, or one who is commtted to the profession of nursing with many years experience? Again -you have to look at the reason for the nursing shortage in the first place.

A question for you if that's OK-when did you get a GC for the US,or were you born there?

We have increasingly higher unemployment here in the UK and there is no way that anyone would suggest that all people becoming unemployed should go into nursing.

You wouldn't be allowed to come to the UK straight away if you qualified unless you met the criteria and since Feb 2008 most nursing jobs are not classed as national shortage occupations- that is the difference between the UK and US where nursing per se is still a shortage occupation.Prior to Feb 2008 when all UK nursing jobs were a national shortage occupation it was relatively easy to get in and we have many foreign nurses working here.

http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/newsarticles/2008/shortageoccupationchange

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Alex, this is what I meant, but and that's a big but, you can come in, if you're qualified. Without those waiting times.

If let's say there's no general shortage for Nurses in the US, they need to adjust the list. That's what was done here. So certain Nurses still can come in, but others cannot.

I believe the US goverment need to work on those visa qualifications, who can be sponsered and who not. And why is IT generally higher then other jobs, who are equally needed. And create different type of visas, why give the greencard straight away???

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I think they have adjusted the list, that is why PD is 2005.

What I am hearing at work, except sicker patients and more patients with no adjustment in staffing. Do not expect more help. No new positions are being created. New graduates are having issues finding work.

Also the need for RNs is not in the hospitals, it is long term care, home health nursing, and clinic work. All areas need a nurse who is highly skilled and oriented to the massive paper work, OASIS, MDS, and other systems which foreign trained nurses have had no exposure. They are also the lower paid areas of nursing.

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Even if they bring back schedule A I expect still to see some retrogression like we did in 2005 especially from PIC (Philippine, India and China) as demand is still higher than allocation and Schedule A existed then. Since Feb 2007 there has been no Schedule A

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how come there is a nursing shortage in the US when I have read posts from CA, NV, etc that there are no nursing jobs available and grads are wondering if there is really a nursing shortage..

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Even if they bring back schedule A I expect still to see some retrogression like we did in 2005 especially from PIC (Philippine, India and China) as demand is still higher than allocation and Schedule A existed then. Since Feb 2007 there has been no Schedule A

The biggest mistake with schedule A was that it did have per country quotas like all other EB visas. As a result 50,000 visas were exhausted in 1.5 years with 40 percent of the applicants coming from Philippines alone. If they had implemented quotas, nurses from other countries would have a good chance to come to the US up to date.

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The biggest mistake with schedule A was that it did have per country quotas like all other EB visas. As a result 50,000 visas were exhausted in 1.5 years with 40 percent of the applicants coming from Philippines alone. If they had implemented quotas, nurses from other countries would have a good chance to come to the US up to date.

When the last retrogression in 2005 was in progress and affected PIC counties I know of a couple of nurses in the UK that went from passing NCLEX, finding a employer and actually moving to the US with visa in approx 8 months. They do need to make Schedule A fair to all and I agree should be much better allocation of visas

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The biggest mistake with schedule A was that it did have per country quotas like all other EB visas. As a result 50,000 visas were exhausted in 1.5 years with 40 percent of the applicants coming from Philippines alone. If they had implemented quotas, nurses from other countries would have a good chance to come to the US up to date.

I am not a big fan of the per country quota system actually, The visas were provided to allow foreign RNs and PTs to relieve the severe shortage in US i.e. for the benefit of American patients and not to provide equal career oppurtunities to nurses from each and every country. If Philippines had more number of qualified applicants when visas came out last time, there was no reason to hold them back as the whole point was to bring in qualified workers immediately to relieve the nursing shortage crisis. Sorry for going off the topic.

As far as the significance of this notification from USCIS is concerned, I think any action taken on this will affect only the processing times of Sch A I-140 applications and as long as there are no visas available I dont see much value in this.

The point to note here is that CIS has gone out of its way to issue a notification recognising the shortage of nurses and recommending USCIS to do whatever is in its power to streamline the immigration process for nurses. Hope the ones in power take note.

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Even if they bring back schedule A I expect still to see some retrogression like we did in 2005 especially from PIC (Philippine, India and China) as demand is still higher than allocation and Schedule A existed then. Since Feb 2007 there has been no Schedule A

Schedule A occupations do exist and one such occupation is nursing-however there is currently no Schedule A Green card category.

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I think you don' t understand an Ombudsman is a paid person to make recommendations about policy, majority of the times their views are ignored.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman

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