There is nothing that can fix this is there? (ok it's a rant)

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I use to work on an Alzheimers unit for two years as an aide before I started school. My average 12 hour shift consisted of:

-Having 10 residents

-6 needing to be woken up, dressed, and have basic hygeine performed (brushing teeth, hair brushing, etc)

-2 showers

-4 vital signs to obtain by 10am

-3 meal times where I along with another aide had to get half the unit into our diningroom (30 people), serve them, feed 4 of them (while watching the other 26 Alzheimers residents and trying to get them to focus on eating), escort them all out, collect plates and trays to put back onto dietary cart to wheel back to dietary

- Take 30 minute "shifts" with other CNA's where I had to stop my CNA duties to more or less "babysit" the activity aide while she did activities with 10-15 residents at a time because she could not be left alone with them because she was not certified.

-Walk several (2-10 depending on the day) on my residents for x amount of time because they were in wheelchairs and cannot walk on their own.

- Chart I/O's, ADL's on my 10 residents

All in all, I loved my job. As you can see I was really busy, so my days went super fast, and I got to spend a ton of time with people who truely needed me.

My problem is that the nurses on the unit generally did nothing. This is not true for all of them, but most of them did nothing. The shift started at 6am and ended at 6pm. My day started right at 6am, sometimes I'd come in 15 minutes early to get a jump start. The nurses, their job started around 6:45-7:15 am because the first hour they generally spent sitting at the nurses station drinking their coffee and talking to the other nurse. Breakfast was at 7:30am and the nurse was suppose to be in the dining room helping me and the other aide. Their job duties in the dining room were the same as ours, and legally they needed to be in there because if someone choked and they were not there they could lose their lisence. But instead they would start their morning pill pass around 7:15 am when they were done with their coffee and be in and out of the dining room passing medication instead of helping us. And I do know for a fact that their med passes were scheduled around the fact that they needed to be in the dining room when meals came. After breakfast, they resumed sitting on their behinds behind the nurses desk, but generally they had charts in their hands and were doing whatever they needed to do with the vitals that were due at 10am. Then they would start their med pass again... conviniently about 20 minutes before meal times so again they were not in there to help but to pass a medication. And by the way, that was against policy. You weren't suppose to pass medications out in the dining room. After lunch they resumed being on their behinds, and did a couple dressing changes and treatments if need be, which there weren't many on our unit anyway. They never put ointment on residents behinds because they assumed that I would do it. Legally, the ointments were medications so I could not do it and would not even though most aides would. I use to tell the nurses that all the time and remind them several times who needed it, sometimes they would get around to some of them. And when dinner came, you guessed it, med passing. That's just how it went.

My true problem here is why do these nurses not want to do their job? Why not do your med passes when you're suppose to so that you can have that little resident interaction at meal times? Don't you want to spend any time with your patients? How are you ever going to know if something is wrong, how are you going to know that the doctor should probably lower soandsos dose of blahblahblah because it's making her too lethargic at meal times and is compromising her nutritional status? Doctors are using you as their eyes and ears and I don't see how it's very effective when you're sitting behind the nurses station all day.

I tried to keep nurses as informed as I could as an aide and have even once been told "mind you're own business, I'm the nurse". Are you? Your title says so but are you really a nurse? (I was certainly thinking that but never said it).

I've told managers before and they've spoken to a few about it. It generally helps for about a week... suddenly the nurse is in the dining room, woah! Like I said, it lasts about a week and then it makes the nurse dislike you and complain about how you didn't clip soandso's finger nails to the unit manager (For one, soandso would punch me in the face if I tried so that's why I haven't and if you would have come to me and asked before running of to the unit manager I could have told you that :) ).

Oh well. This is clearly a rant. I just want to know how does this ever change? Have you ever worked in a nursing home as bad as what I've described and seen it slowly turn around? What did they do to make it better (besides fire the nurses, because I do think these nurses are good if they want to be it's just they can get away with not and they clearly think all their job requires is giving a medication)... blah

I'm done, thanks for listening.

Specializes in LTC, Acute Care.
It's not about winning. It's more about what can be done? No ones really focused on answering that. Just defending how I have no idea what I'm talking about. Ok maybe I don't, fine. But IF I did what can I do to get things changed? If they dont need changing, then it won't happen. But I'd like to at least attempt it. What's so horrible about that.

The best thing you can do to change your situation is to do exactly what you are doing by becoming a nurse. However, you will probably see some of these things differently than you do now. I'm not saying anyone's wrong or right here, just that your perspective will change a bit.

Specializes in Professional Development Specialist.

I run a lot at work. I also sit a lot. I have 13-17 very sick sub acute pts that need to be charted on, all handwritten on paper. I may also be sitting at the beginning of my shift because I get in at 6am and really shouldn't start passing meds until 7am if I want to be legal. Plus half my residents are still sleeping and just won't or can't take their meds on an empty stomach. It all stinks, and takes a TON of time! But if I don't chart, things don't get communicated to the Dr and problems can get worse. I count on my aids because they have fewer pts than me and have more time. If so and so is really too sedated, why don't you say something to the nurse?

LTC sucks, but if you're really so miserable then change it or go somewhere else. You come across as putting down people most of us know to be working their butts off. You told us your pt to CNA ratio but you didn't mention their ratio. Is it less than 10? Because I HAVE been a CNA and I can tell you it was much easier to get 12 pts up and dressed and take excellent care of them than it is to pass meds, think critically, assess those taking possibly a turn for the worse, take off orders, call and request orders, make appointments, arrainge transportation, deal with family members, answer questions from families, redirect residents 1,000 times, listen patiently to family members scream that their mom/dad isn't being taken care of the way they would do it, and that's just 1/10th of the things that go on in a nurse's day. I see here a lack of insight you wouldn't have if you've ever been a nurse. It's a big part of what makes my job so hard. Pt families see me sitting and stand their glaring at me because I haven't given their mom the medication they want them to have. They don't seem to realize or care they are glaring at me while I am calling the Dr for the 3rd time in 2 hours because I can't just give a med without an order. All they see is me sitting on my butt with the phone on my ear, much like you.

Specializes in Geriatrics.
The best thing you can do to change your situation is to do exactly what you are doing by becoming a nurse. However, you will probably see some of these things differently than you do now. I'm not saying anyone's wrong or right here, just that your perspective will change a bit.

That is basically why I am becoming a nurse. I want to be there for the residents. I care about all of them probably too much. I don't think LPNs at the nursing home as a whole were lazy, because wow that would be wrong... they all work so hard. Most of the nurses in the nursing home I was at were just amazing.. it just seems like the lazier ones migrated to the Alzheimers unit because they could "hide" there easilier. Families didn't walk on the unit unless they were family members of someone on the unit bc it was a locked unit and there was a mirror to see if anyone was walking down the hall (which was nice for the nurses because they would always stand up when the weekend manager did rounds... hmm), and there were no call bells. No residents coming up to the nurses station because none of them knew when they needed something. Residents on the Alzheimers unit obviously aren't in their right mind so they can't complain to Administrators about not having dressings changed when they were suppose to like the rest of the nursing home residents could. I dunno. It just bothered me. Wanted to do something about it. Not waste time defending what I knew was true.. :)

Specializes in Geriatrics.
I run a lot at work. I also sit a lot. I have 13-17 very sick sub acute pts that need to be charted on, all handwritten on paper. I may also be sitting at the beginning of my shift because I get in at 6am and really shouldn't start passing meds until 7am if I want to be legal. Plus half my residents are still sleeping and just won't or can't take their meds on an empty stomach. It all stinks, and takes a TON of time! But if I don't chart, things don't get communicated to the Dr and problems can get worse. I count on my aids because they have fewer pts than me and have more time. If so and so is really too sedated, why don't you say something to the nurse?

LTC sucks, but if you're really so miserable then change it or go somewhere else. You come across as putting down people most of us know to be working their butts off. You told us your pt to CNA ratio but you didn't mention their ratio. Is it less than 10? Because I HAVE been a CNA and I can tell you it was much easier to get 12 pts up and dressed and take excellent care of them than it is to pass meds, think critically, assess those taking possibly a turn for the worse, take off orders, call and request orders, make appointments, arrainge transportation, deal with family members, answer questions from families, redirect residents 1,000 times, listen patiently to family members scream that their mom/dad isn't being taken care of the way they would do it, and that's just 1/10th of the things that go on in a nurse's day. I see here a lack of insight you wouldn't have if you've ever been a nurse. It's a big part of what makes my job so hard. Pt families see me sitting and stand their glaring at me because I haven't given their mom the medication they want them to have. They don't seem to realize or care they are glaring at me while I am calling the Dr for the 3rd time in 2 hours because I can't just give a med without an order. All they see is me sitting on my butt with the phone on my ear, much like you.

You sound like you do a lot more then these nurses. And I do not assume because you are sitting on the phone your doing nothing. Sitting at the computer looking at Ebay? Yeah, you're doing nothing.

" the nurses, their job started around 6:45-7:15 am because the first hour they generally spent sitting at the nurses station drinking their coffee and talking to the other nurse" are you sure they were just sitting around talking? could they have been giving report to the next shift?

this is what i was wondering. as a student nurse, we were required to be present during the change of shift report. the rural hospital i did clinicals at this past semester had around fifteen patients and it took anywhere from 35 minutes to an hour for report. it all depends on what has happened with each patient.

edit: i just saw that they aren't doing report. i'm sorry for your situation. this should motivate you to be the best nurse you can when you graduate.

Specializes in LTC, Med-SURG,STICU.
I hear what you are saying. I think that a lot of nurses responding have never been a CNA or a CT and won't fully understand your point of view and may be somewhat upset with your preception, with that being said you have to walk in nurses shoes to know what it is really all about, what their work day demands. Lazy people are just that, and they are everywhere in every place.

I worked as a CNA for many years before becoming a nurse, so I know exactly what it is like to work as a CNA. Therefore, I think that I am able to speek from a CNAs point of view also. I think she will be singing a different tune once she is a nurse and on her own for a while.

Specializes in LTC, Med-SURG,STICU.
That is basically why I am becoming a nurse. I want to be there for the residents. I care about all of them probably too much. I don't think LPNs at the nursing home as a whole were lazy, because wow that would be wrong... they all work so hard. Most of the nurses in the nursing home I was at were just amazing.. it just seems like the lazier ones migrated to the Alzheimers unit because they could "hide" there easilier. Families didn't walk on the unit unless they were family members of someone on the unit bc it was a locked unit and there was a mirror to see if anyone was walking down the hall (which was nice for the nurses because they would always stand up when the weekend manager did rounds... hmm), and there were no call bells. No residents coming up to the nurses station because none of them knew when they needed something. Residents on the Alzheimers unit obviously aren't in their right mind so they can't complain to Administrators about not having dressings changed when they were suppose to like the rest of the nursing home residents could. I dunno. It just bothered me. Wanted to do something about it. Not waste time defending what I knew was true.. :)

Hate to tell you this, but I have worked Alzheimers unit also and as a CNA too. You are implying that the nurses that work these units are lazy, but I have found that the opposite is true. Some of the most hard working nurses that I have had the pleasure of working with worked this unit. Do you realize that these residents have alot of behaviors that need monitored and care planned on daily. There is alot of work that goes into careing for these types of residents that alot of people do not understand.

As far as fixing the problem there is not much that can be done if management does not want to address the issues at hand. Trust me I know this first hand. You can always go work somewhere else.

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
It's not about winning. It's more about what can be done? No ones really focused on answering that. Just defending how I have no idea what I'm talking about. Ok maybe I don't, fine. But IF I did what can I do to get things changed? If they dont need changing, then it won't happen. But I'd like to at least attempt it. What's so horrible about that.

OK-here is "what can be done" If you genuinely feel residents are being endangered then report it-you can make an anonymous report to the department of health. Or you can go through your chain of command and blow the whistle on what you see as a problem with the culture of the unit. However what you are describing does NOT sound like endangerment but rather your opinion of other's work ethics.

The dressing changes are something concrete that you can report.The next time you see a dated dressing that is overdue to be changed go ahead and remove it (make sure you report to the duty nurse that it is off so she can re-apply it)-put it in a plastic bag and present it to your DON. Just remember that you run the risk of being blackballed and make sure it's worth it. And think twice before you burn your bridges-the grapevine in the nursing community runs wild.You may have trouble with co-workers for along time to come.

You'll find all types of staff in nursing just like any walk of life. People that strive to do their best and people that could not care less.Maturity will bring you the ability to accept that you can not control anyone's behavior but your own and you are wasting your positive energy worrying about what someone else is or is not doing when you should really be focusing on doing the best you can yourself.

hate to tell you this, but i have worked alzheimers unit also and as a cna too. you are implying that the nurses that work these units are lazy, but i have found that the opposite is true. some of the most hard working nurses that i have had the pleasure of working with worked this unit. do you realize that these residents have alot of behaviors that need monitored and care planned on daily. there is alot of work that goes into careing for these types of residents that alot of people do not understand.

the op isn't implying that the nurses that work these units are lazy...she is implying the nurses she works with are lazy!!!! why is it so hard to believe there may be a lazy nurse or two out there? :confused:

Specializes in Geriatrics.
OK-here is "what can be done" If you genuinely feel residents are being endangered then report it-you can make an anonymous report to the department of health. Or you can go through your chain of command and blow the whistle on what you see as a problem with the culture of the unit. However what you are describing does NOT sound like endangerment but rather your opinion of other's work ethics.

The dressing changes are something concrete that you can report.The next time you see a dated dressing that is overdue to be changed go ahead and remove it (make sure you report to the duty nurse that it is off so she can re-apply it)-put it in a plastic bag and present it to your DON. Just remember that you run the risk of being blackballed and make sure it's worth it. And think twice before you burn your bridges-the grapevine in the nursing community runs wild.You may have trouble with co-workers for along time to come.

You'll find all types of staff in nursing just like any walk of life. People that strive to do their best and people that could not care less.Maturity will bring you the ability to accept that you can not control anyone's behavior but your own and you are wasting your positive energy worrying about what someone else is or is not doing when you should really be focusing on doing the best you can yourself.

Thanks. You've made me think about a few things. I do have a hard time accepting what I cannot change because I don't know... it's just all about the residents to me.

Specializes in Geriatrics.
the op isn't implying that the nurses that work these units are lazy...she is implying the nurses she works with are lazy!!!! why is it so hard to believe there may be a lazy nurse or two out there? :confused:

thank you. the week day nurse on that unit work their butts off, especially 1st shift, they are jam packed with things to do, it's insane! (from what i have seen picking up weekday shifts). it's just the weekend nurses that i work with nearly every weekend i am talking about :)

Specializes in Utilization Management.

"As you can see I was really busy, so my days went super fast, and I got to spend a ton of time with people who truely needed me. "

Apparently you weren't busy enough, if you had the time to monitor what the nurses were doing at any given time of day. :twocents:

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