There is nothing that can fix this is there? (ok it's a rant)

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I use to work on an Alzheimers unit for two years as an aide before I started school. My average 12 hour shift consisted of:

-Having 10 residents

-6 needing to be woken up, dressed, and have basic hygeine performed (brushing teeth, hair brushing, etc)

-2 showers

-4 vital signs to obtain by 10am

-3 meal times where I along with another aide had to get half the unit into our diningroom (30 people), serve them, feed 4 of them (while watching the other 26 Alzheimers residents and trying to get them to focus on eating), escort them all out, collect plates and trays to put back onto dietary cart to wheel back to dietary

- Take 30 minute "shifts" with other CNA's where I had to stop my CNA duties to more or less "babysit" the activity aide while she did activities with 10-15 residents at a time because she could not be left alone with them because she was not certified.

-Walk several (2-10 depending on the day) on my residents for x amount of time because they were in wheelchairs and cannot walk on their own.

- Chart I/O's, ADL's on my 10 residents

All in all, I loved my job. As you can see I was really busy, so my days went super fast, and I got to spend a ton of time with people who truely needed me.

My problem is that the nurses on the unit generally did nothing. This is not true for all of them, but most of them did nothing. The shift started at 6am and ended at 6pm. My day started right at 6am, sometimes I'd come in 15 minutes early to get a jump start. The nurses, their job started around 6:45-7:15 am because the first hour they generally spent sitting at the nurses station drinking their coffee and talking to the other nurse. Breakfast was at 7:30am and the nurse was suppose to be in the dining room helping me and the other aide. Their job duties in the dining room were the same as ours, and legally they needed to be in there because if someone choked and they were not there they could lose their lisence. But instead they would start their morning pill pass around 7:15 am when they were done with their coffee and be in and out of the dining room passing medication instead of helping us. And I do know for a fact that their med passes were scheduled around the fact that they needed to be in the dining room when meals came. After breakfast, they resumed sitting on their behinds behind the nurses desk, but generally they had charts in their hands and were doing whatever they needed to do with the vitals that were due at 10am. Then they would start their med pass again... conviniently about 20 minutes before meal times so again they were not in there to help but to pass a medication. And by the way, that was against policy. You weren't suppose to pass medications out in the dining room. After lunch they resumed being on their behinds, and did a couple dressing changes and treatments if need be, which there weren't many on our unit anyway. They never put ointment on residents behinds because they assumed that I would do it. Legally, the ointments were medications so I could not do it and would not even though most aides would. I use to tell the nurses that all the time and remind them several times who needed it, sometimes they would get around to some of them. And when dinner came, you guessed it, med passing. That's just how it went.

My true problem here is why do these nurses not want to do their job? Why not do your med passes when you're suppose to so that you can have that little resident interaction at meal times? Don't you want to spend any time with your patients? How are you ever going to know if something is wrong, how are you going to know that the doctor should probably lower soandsos dose of blahblahblah because it's making her too lethargic at meal times and is compromising her nutritional status? Doctors are using you as their eyes and ears and I don't see how it's very effective when you're sitting behind the nurses station all day.

I tried to keep nurses as informed as I could as an aide and have even once been told "mind you're own business, I'm the nurse". Are you? Your title says so but are you really a nurse? (I was certainly thinking that but never said it).

I've told managers before and they've spoken to a few about it. It generally helps for about a week... suddenly the nurse is in the dining room, woah! Like I said, it lasts about a week and then it makes the nurse dislike you and complain about how you didn't clip soandso's finger nails to the unit manager (For one, soandso would punch me in the face if I tried so that's why I haven't and if you would have come to me and asked before running of to the unit manager I could have told you that :) ).

Oh well. This is clearly a rant. I just want to know how does this ever change? Have you ever worked in a nursing home as bad as what I've described and seen it slowly turn around? What did they do to make it better (besides fire the nurses, because I do think these nurses are good if they want to be it's just they can get away with not and they clearly think all their job requires is giving a medication)... blah

I'm done, thanks for listening.

Specializes in Geriatrics.
I do agree that sometimes it appears a nurse is not doing anything, when in fact they are.

They aren't. I know FOR SURE they aren't the first hour of their morning. Occasionally we'd have another nurse on the unit from the two norms and that nurse 99% of the time started work right away, while the one regularly on the unit didn't. It's because the nurses who work back on the Azheimers unit full time know what they can get away with.

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.

I,too have worked in a nursing home in which the nurses were expected to feed-we did not do it and I'll tell you why-.The meds have to be administered within a certain time frame-it was NOT possible to do so and stop to feed.The cna's always went to break and left on time.We nurses never did.We were lucky to take 10 or 15 mins for a break. I'm at a different facility now-the paperwork is incredible. A few of the staff think we are "doing nothing" behind the desk-it isn't true. Until you have been a dayshift charge nurse in LTC you have NO idea how much has to be done...The assessments, the orders, following through with lab work, the roster (paperwork for the state, adl documentation, the med "a" charting, ordering meds, supplies, paperwork for appointments-monitoring the unit to make sure the cna's are following the careplans for each resident and using proper techniques, meds,treatments ,doctors rounds (with comprehensive note) admissions, transfers, hospital returns, unstable residents,falls,skin tears and making sure the 2 previous shifts did everything they were supposed to and fixing anything they missed (because day shift is the last line of defense per our DON) AND handling visitors,other departments and outside vendors to name a few of our responsibilities I worked as a can myself for almost 10 years -I had NO IDEA and there have been times I wished I still was so I could walk away at the end of the shift and not wake up in the middle of the night wondering ' Did I miss something?"

Specializes in Geriatrics.
@OP, I understand what you are trying to say and I have actually worked with people that wanted to get through the day doing the least they can throughout the shift (nurses and aides included). It is very frustrating when you are overwhelmed with work and nobody else is helping out but hang in there and do the best you can.

For those saying she needs to be a nurse to understand, I disagree. A lazy person is a lazy person, nurse or not. Working with patients is supposed to be about teamwork and having each others backs. Being at the nursing station charting, receiving/giving report or calling a doc is totally different from sitting at the nurses' station drinking coffee, surfing the web and gossiping the day away while call lights are beeping (my biggest pet peeve).

Thanks. I'm glad you understand... I do realize that they do a lot more then pass meds. They do treatments, tons of charting too. But on the weekends they don't have orders to d, which I know can be time consuming. Like I said, most of the nurses didnt do a lot of their treatments like putting ointment on someones behind. There was a diabetic man that had Una Boots and the nurse would always tell which ever CNA to just cover them with plastic during his Sunday shower and she would "do them later".... And on Sunday, they would have a Friday date. And they were suppose to be changed Sat (they were everyday), which she nevre did. So everytime I had his shower or saw someone giving him a shower I cut those Una Boots off myself :) This nurse clearly didn't love me (and was also the same nurse who complained about me not cutting someones nails yet never went to me to ask me why I hadnt because she was mad that I went and ratted on her for never being in the dining room)

I can tell the difference between lazy.

Specializes in Geriatrics.
I,too have worked in a nursing home in which the nurses were expected to feed-we did not do it and I'll tell you why-.The meds have to be administered within a certain time frame-it was NOT possible to do so and stop to feed.The cna's always went to break and left on time.We nurses never did.We were lucky to take 10 or 15 mins for a break. I'm at a different facility now-the paperwork is incredible. A few of the staff think we are "doing nothing" behind the desk-it isn't true. Until you have been a dayshift charge nurse in LTC you have NO idea how much has to be done...The assessments, the orders, following through with lab work, the roster (paperwork for the state, adl documentation, the med "a" charting, ordering meds, supplies, paperwork for appointments-monitoring the unit to make sure the cna's are following the careplans for each resident and using proper techniques, meds,treatments ,doctors rounds (with comprehensive note) admissions, transfers, hospital returns, unstable residents,falls,skin tears and making sure the 2 previous shifts did everything they were supposed to and fixing anything they missed (because day shift is the last line of defense per our DON) AND handling visitors,other departments and outside vendors to name a few of our responsibilities I worked as a can myself for almost 10 years -I had NO IDEA and there have been times I wished I still was so I could walk away at the end of the shift and not wake up in the middle of the night wondering ' Did I miss something?"

I undestand that. But at the nursing home I worked at meds where scheduled around meals. If they would start at 6 they would be done by 730 meal time easily. They generally get there pill passes done in about 45 minutes. I would not complain about something unless I truely knew the situation. I am not a nurse, and I am going to be one in 7 weeks and I know how busy nurses get. I've seen, I've shadowed, I totally understand. Every nursing home is different. I am complaining about nurses who are basically taking advantage of Alzheimers residents (who cant use their call bell, who can't complain, who dont know the difference) and the fact that there is no manager full time on the unit all weekend to tell them to stop drinking their coffee for 45 minutes and go work, to stop taking a smoke break every 1 1/2 hours, to stop taking a 45 minute lunch, to stop looking at Ebay (which is a lot of what they did every. single. weekend.).

Specializes in Geriatrics.
And I do know for a fact that their med passes were scheduled around the fact that they needed to be in the dining room when meals came.

Question...How do you know? HIPPA states that you're only privilaged to information you need to do your job. Med pass is a nurse's job and you have no reason (or permission) to look at the MAR. So, I wonder how you know when their meds are scheduled. LPN's are nurses, not aides. They have an entirely different scope of practice. Why would a facility utilize a nurse in the role of a CNA when they're paying her to be a nurse? Makes no sense. They're responsible for administering meds, wound care, administering prescribed treatments and many other duties throughout the shift, andthey must be sure everything has been properly documented. CNA's are responsible for basic needs and assistance with ADL's. This includes mealtimes. If you're unhappy with your scope of practice, go back to school and become a nurse, but please don't pass judgement on your coworkers until you walk a mile in their tired shoes.

Let me point out I only work weekends. The four nurses on my units on weekends were as I described in my post. So how come when one is not there that weekend and there is another nurse who isn't usually even on the unit having time to do her pill passes and be in the dining room? Yet the others who are there every weekend just have no time to do it! Hm. Somethings not right there, dont you think? I'd constantly find dressing changes that had dates for Friday that would stil be there Sunday, saturated and falling apart and I would let them know, they'd do nothing about it. You are right LPNs are nurses not aides. But. They. Still. Are. Legally. Suppose. To. Be. In. The. Dining. Room. At. Meal. Times. and were NOT allowed to pass meds in the dining room per the DON. Whether they go out of their "scope of practice" to feed/pass a tray or not is really personally up to them but as far as the facility was concerned they were suppose to help (and REMEMBER I am talking about a locked down Alzheimers unit, I have no clue about the rest of the nursing home). If someone chokes and dies, look who doesn't have a job anymore, not me :)

And I am graduating in July :).

Specializes in LTC, Med-SURG,STICU.
I undestand that. But at the nursing home I worked at meds where scheduled around meals. If they would start at 6 they would be done by 730 meal time easily. They generally get there pill passes done in about 45 minutes. I would not complain about something unless I truely knew the situation. I am not a nurse, and I am going to be one in 7 weeks and I know how busy nurses get. I've seen, I've shadowed, I totally understand. Every nursing home is different. I am complaining about nurses who are basically taking advantage of Alzheimers residents (who cant use their call bell, who can't complain, who dont know the difference) and the fact that there is no manager full time on the unit all weekend to tell them to stop drinking their coffee for 45 minutes and go work, to stop taking a smoke break every 1 1/2 hours, to stop taking a 45 minute lunch, to stop looking at Ebay (which is a lot of what they did every. single. weekend.).

All I can say is you are in for a rude awakening in 7+ weeks. I really hope that when you pass your boards and get your nursing job that things are as peachy and easy as you seem to think they are. During that time those nurses are sitting on their butts drinking coffee they are probably getting report. I am so sick of CNAs thinking that a nurse can just walk into the building and start passing pills. WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO REPORT FIRST. The residents change and sometimes I have to call the doctor before my med pass so I can hold meds or send them to the hospital before I pass even one pill. By the way this "lazy nurse" sits on her butt and drinks coffee while I get report because that is most likely the only time I will sit unless I am charting all day.

It is a totally different ball game when you are on your own and not in clinicals, job shadowing, or whatever else you have done. Good luck to you.

Specializes in LTC, Rehab, Peds.

Congrats on your upcoming graduation! I'm sure you'll be a very caring nurse. It would be very interesting if we could fast forward to 6 months into your first nursing job and see what your opinion is then. :p

Good Luck! :)

I hear what you are saying. I think that a lot of nurses responding have never been a CNA or a CT and won't fully understand your point of view and may be somewhat upset with your preception, with that being said you have to walk in nurses shoes to know what it is really all about, what their work day demands. Lazy people are just that, and they are everywhere in every place.

Specializes in Geriatrics.
All I can say is you are in for a rude awakening in 7+ weeks. I really hope that when you pass your boards and get your nursing job that things are as peachy and easy as you seem to think they are. During that time those nurses are sitting on their butts drinking coffee they are probably getting report. I am so sick of CNAs thinking that a nurse can just walk into the building and start passing pills. WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO REPORT FIRST. The residents change and sometimes I have to call the doctor before my med pass so I can hold meds or send them to the hospital before I pass even one pill. By the way this "lazy nurse" sits on her butt and drinks coffee while I get report because that is most likely the only time I will sit unless I am charting all day.

It is a totally different ball game when you are on your own and not in clinicals, job shadowing, or whatever else you have done. Good luck to you.

They aren't getting report. The night nurses have already left by the time the nurses sit down. Ok ok LETS PRETEND they are working while they are sitting on their butts for the majority of the day. How do you excuse the 45 minute lunch breaks, the every 1 1/2 hour smoke breaks, the browsing on EBAY, the not doing treatments? You've yet to mention anything about those things I've mentioned.

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.

you win-you work with the laziest nurses ever.....

Specializes in Geriatrics.
I hear what you are saying. I think that a lot of nurses responding have never been a CNA or a CT and won't fully understand your point of view and may be somewhat upset with your preception, with that being said you have to walk in nurses shoes to know what it is really all about, what their work day demands. Lazy people are just that, and they are everywhere in every place.

I totally understand. Just had to get it out. I know they have a lot of work to do, and I know that I probably don't know every task they have. But I have worked with these specfic nurses and I know lazy when I see it. smoke breaks every 1 1/2 hours, long lunches, browsing the internet, not doing treatments.... that's just lazy. Any time there is a nurse on the unit that is not typically on the unit she is on her feet all day and manages to be in the dining room, have all her treatments done, and take her correct amount of breaks.

Specializes in Geriatrics.
you win-you work with the laziest nurses ever.....

It's not about winning. It's more about what can be done? No ones really focused on answering that. Just defending how I have no idea what I'm talking about. Ok maybe I don't, fine. But IF I did what can I do to get things changed? If they dont need changing, then it won't happen. But I'd like to at least attempt it. What's so horrible about that.

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