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I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can.  My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.  

He's not going away.

Haberman's book is out based on interviews.  I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting.  Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with.  LOL

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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/09/25/trump-dishes-to-his-psychiatrist-00058732

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https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/speaker-mike-johnson-to-meet-with-trump-at-mar-a-lago-amid-threats-to-his-job/3283112/

Trump wants to talk about how noncitizens are voting in our national elections (they're not) and how he will fix that (it's not broken) and the SOTH needs the support in MAGA world to maintain his own power.  So here we are.  

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With his majority shrinking due to early retirements and departures, Johnson is operating as a speaker in name only. But the more he depends on Democrats to provide the votes needed to pass substantial legislation, including last month's bills to keep the government from shutting down, the deeper trouble he courts from the MAGA Republicans.

Trump could help Johnson by promoting the House's legislative priorities or, at least, not torpedoing them. But that seems increasingly uncertain as the presumed presidential nominee leads the GOP in a different direction on both domestic and foreign policy priorities.

Of course, members of the GOP leave the political field of play now because they don't want to be associated with the crazy caucus that is treating the SOTH like a puppet.  They don't care to have unelected conmen calling the legislative shots for the caucus and then being responsible for the chaos that follows.  

As a side note.  This article quoted Charlie Sykes who is a conservative commentator from Wisconsin.  He had a talk radio program, but I started reading his material around 2019 in The Bulwark and listening to that podcast. Sykes no longer runs The Bulwark podcast, it's now headed up by Tim Miller who was associated with the political campaigns of McCain, Jeb Bush, Romney and Huntsman. It's refreshing to hear conservative ideas from people who think that Trump is a disasterous threat to our form of government.  

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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/12/trump-says-he-would-testify-in-upcoming-hush-money-trial.html

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"All I can do is tell the truth," said Trump, who is charged in the case with 34 counts of falsifying business records related to a payment to porn star Stormy Daniels.

"All I can do is tell the truth" says the man who rarely tells the truth.  I wonder which version of this denial he's on now. 

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/speaker-mike-johnson-to-meet-with-trump-at-mar-a-lago-amid-threats-to-his-job/3283112/

Trump wants to talk about how noncitizens are voting in our national elections (they're not) and how he will fix that (it's not broken) and the SOTH needs the support in MAGA world to maintain his own power.  So here we are.  

Of course, members of the GOP leave the political field of play now because they don't want to be associated with the crazy caucus that is treating the SOTH like a puppet.  They don't care to have unelected conmen calling the legislative shots for the caucus and then being responsible for the chaos that follows.  

As a side note.  This article quoted Charlie Sykes who is a conservative commentator from Wisconsin.  He had a talk radio program, but I started reading his material around 2019 in The Bulwark and listening to that podcast. Sykes no longer runs The Bulwark podcast, it's now headed up by Tim Miller who was associated with the political campaigns of McCain, Jeb Bush, Romney and Huntsman. It's refreshing to hear conservative ideas from people who think that Trump is a disasterous threat to our form of government.  

This is my opinion and it's only my opinion, the Speaker wants to be seen with Trump and make sure his reputation as a conservative is enhanced.  He's just showing he's a politician here, rather than the reasonably intelligent person he is.  A reasonably intelligent person wouldn't get on this bandwagon because it's been researched and studied as you mentioned that illegally voting doesn't occur in detectable numbers.

Again, it shows that no one wants to stand up against Trump and that Trump even though he's only a candidate seems to be practically running the show in congress.

https://www.cato.org/blog/noncitizens-don't-illegally-vote-detectable-numbers

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Tweety said:

This is my opinion and it's only my opinion, the Speaker wants to be seen with Trump and make sure his reputation as a conservative is enhanced.  He's just showing he's a politician here, rather than the reasonably intelligent person he is.  A reasonably intelligent person wouldn't get on this bandwagon because it's been researched and studied as you mentioned that illegally voting doesn't occur in detectable numbers.

Again, it shows that no one wants to stand up against Trump and that Trump even though he's only a candidate seems to be practically running the show in congress.

https://www.cato.org/blog/noncitizens-don't-illegally-vote-detectable-numbers

Johnson's reputation as a republican politician, devoted to Trump to the degree that he would help overthrow an election, is safe.  His reputation as a religious zealot who will lie and cheat for political gain and at the expense of women is secure.  Johnson's weakness as a SOTH was solidified when he ran to the side of Trump when threatened by Moscow Marge. 

Yes. House Republicans are clearly letting an unelected liar, who tried to overthrow our government after getting voted out of office, direct the congressional agenda today.  That is Johnson's legacy as well.  Mike let's the loser lead the way.  

No one wants to stand up against a fascist authoritarian who makes threats against any and all individuals or institutions who challenge him.  Trump isn't quite to Navalny level of corruption yet, but he's close.  

Now that Johnson has solidified his dependence upon Trump, can we rule out additional aid to Ukraine? Putin doesn't want us sending aid.  It seems straightforward that Johnson will move away from that now.

I appreciate your opinion. It seems to fit well with the facts available to us about what is going on.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Johnson's reputation as a republican politician, devoted to Trump to the degree that he would help overthrow an election, is safe.  His reputation as a religious zealot who will lie and cheat for political gain and at the expense of women is secure.  Johnson's weakness as a SOTH was solidified when he ran to the side of Trump when threatened by Moscow Marge. 

Yes. House Republicans are clearly letting an unelected liar, who tried to overthrow our government after getting voted out of office, direct the congressional agenda today.  That is Johnson's legacy as well.  Mike let's the loser lead the way.  

No one wants to stand up against a fascist authoritarian who makes threats against any and all individuals or institutions who challenge him.  Trump isn't quite to Navalny level of corruption yet, but he's close.  

Now that Johnson has solidified his dependence upon Trump, can we rule out additional aid to Ukraine? Putin doesn't want us sending aid.  It seems straightforward that Johnson will move away from that now.

I appreciate your opinion. It seems to fit well with the facts available to us about what is going on.  

The Speaker got what he wanted: some publicity that he's still right wing and shouldn't lose his job because he worked with Democrats, and Trump's endorsement that he should keep his job.  Nothing to do with the non-existent issue of illegal immigrants committing voter fraud.  

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Tweety said:

The Speaker got what he wanted: some publicity that he's still right wing and shouldn't lose his job because he worked with Democrats, and Trump's endorsement that he should keep his job.  Nothing to do with the non-existent issue of illegal immigrants committing voter fraud.  

Exactly.  It's all political theater designed to create the illusion that Trump isn't telling lies about about our government while he's deciding what the legislative agenda of Congress should include.  It's a bit unnerving when the next guy in line for the presidency is a right wing religious zealot who worked to overthrow the 2020 elective results and install Trump as king. Johnson lies to the people easily with a self righteous and smug smirk.  The republican base seems enamored with these untrustworthy and dangerous grifters.  

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Apparently Trump is being mocked for falling asleep on the first day of his trial.  His team said ""This is 100% fake news coming from 'journalists' who weren't even in the court room."

 It's going to be tough to find a jury I bet.

His fans were there.

 

 

 

 

 

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Tweety said:

Apparently Trump is being mocked for falling asleep on the first day of his trial.  His team said ""This is 100% fake news coming from 'journalists' who weren't even in the court room."

 It's going to be tough to find a jury I bet.

His fans were there.

 

 

 

 

 

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They'll find a jury. 

I'm not sure that the Trump crowd was as loud or intrusive as he hoped.  There sure was lots of noise outside the building.  

That thing about Trump dozing off in a warm courtroom is kind of funny.  It highlights the downside of Trump calling his Democratic opponent "sleepy Joe". 

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Beerman said:

Interesting take. I am surprised there is minimal mention of campaign finance violation(s). My understanding is that the payments made to Daniels and Cohen should have been reported as campaign donations because they were made to influence the outcome of the election. I think that was one of the charges that Cohen plead guilty to. 

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Beerman said:

Prof. Germain seems to make a habit of defending Trump, even on a Chinese Government News outlet:

It would make sense to have a professor who teaches bankruptcy to speak about a civil fraud trial, but not so much about campaign finance. 

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Beerman said:

Thank you.  

The law professor believes it will be difficult to prove the elements of the case and that it is politically motivated.  If that's all true there is little chance for conviction. 

It's fascinating to read about Trump's difficulty adhering to the gag orders.  He's really playing up his victimhood.  That plays well with his fan base.  

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