I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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Beerman said:
Fine with me if they stop with SOTU addresses. They have morphed into a silly waste of time and resources.
Are you siding with with those, such as Pelosi, who lie and claim Trump said he was literally going to exact a bloodbathe for our country if he's not elected?
It'd also be worth your while to watch the Stephen A Smith clip I posted further above.
I think that we already know who Trump is and how he will try to use chaos and violence to achieve his un-American wishes. I think it's wise to consider that violence may follow Trump's persistently violent rhetoric because violence has already been inspired by Trump's violent rhetoric. I am aware that the average Trump supporter will dispute that Trump's rhetoric inspired violence, convinced that January 6th was something other than a violent attack on our democracy.
I fail to understand why I should watch a video posted by a sports programming personality, who is known for misogynistic remarks, in order to understand something about current politics. That makes no sense to me at all.
I think that we already know who Trump is and how he will try to use chaos and violence to achieve his un-American wishes. I think it's wise to consider that violence may follow Trump's persistently violent rhetoric because violence has already been inspired by Trump's violent rhetoric. I am aware that the average Trump supporter will dispute that Trump's rhetoric inspired violence, convinced that January 6th was something other than a violent attack on our democracy.
I fail to understand why I should watch a video posted by a sports programming personality, who is known for misogynistic remarks, in order to understand something about current politics. That makes no sense to me at all.
I always says, it's it's too crazy to be true, it probably isn't.
Trump said there will be a bloodbath without further explanation. So there was no context to take from it especially given his tendency to ramble and make no sense. Some interpreted that as a call for violence or a warning of violence. Naturally, the right would interpret it different such as he was talking about the stock market, the auto industry, or something else. Trump left no choice but for people to speculate.
While I fail to see how the auto industry would undergo a "bloodbath" since that term really isn't used for a brutal economy is it? But Trump has since clarified and is the victim of the evil left, please send money.
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Posting on his social media platform, Trump claimed that his "bloodbath" warning was "simply" about the potential challenges for auto workers if he's not back in the White House to impose tariffs on China.
Trump's campaign is also capitalizing on the controversy, with a fundraising email sent on Monday insisting that his political opponents and others had "viciously" misquoted him as part of a broader effort to "keep control."
However, one does have to be careful about what one reads and goes viral. An example would be the appalling Republican nominee for governor in my home state of NC being taken out of context and only the snippet went viral.
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Tweety said:
I always says, it's it's too crazy to be true, it probably isn't.
Trump said there will be a bloodbath without further explanation. So there was no context to take from it especially given his tendency to ramble and make no sense. Some interpreted that as a call for violence or a warning of violence. Naturally, the right would interpret it different such as he was talking about the stock market, the auto industry, or something else. Trump left no choice but for people to speculate.
While I fail to see how the auto industry would undergo a "bloodbath" since that term really isn't used for a brutal economy is it? But Trump has since clarified and is the victim of the evil left, please send money.
However, one does have to be careful about what one reads and goes viral. An example would be the appalling Republican nominee for governor in my home state of NC being taken out of context and only the snippet went viral.
There's not just a single "context" to consider when someone like Trump repeatedly uses violent rhetoric, IMV Clearly, Trump's words inspire too many of his devotees to threaten or harass people or even to take violent action. It's no secret that a host of Trump supporters believe that political violence is necessary to save their country. This has every potential for a very unpleasant ending when the people talking about violence in vague references also don't believe in election results.
I always says, it's it's too crazy to be true, it probably isn't.
Trump said there will be a bloodbath without further explanation. So there was no context to take from it especially given his tendency to ramble and make no sense. Some interpreted that as a call for violence or a warning of violence. Naturally, the right would interpret it different such as he was talking about the stock market, the auto industry, or something else. Trump left no choice but for people to speculate.
While I fail to see how the auto industry would undergo a "bloodbath" since that term really isn't used for a brutal economy is it? But Trump has since clarified and is the victim of the evil left, please send money.
However, one does have to be careful about what one reads and goes viral. An example would be the appalling Republican nominee for governor in my home state of NC being taken out of context and only the snippet went viral.
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Beerman said:
I'm not sure how you're missing the context of his comments if you watched what he said.
He was talking about if the Chinese are able to build cars in Mexico and then export them to the US. The US automakers would suffer.
Smh
Sure. We get that.
Are you pretty confident that everybody who heard that rhetoric interprets it that way? I mean, Trump supporters have been known to hear encouragements in Trump's speech that they later deny was intentional on Trump's part. January 6th is a good example of that. How confident are you that some Trump supporters won't be inspired to make that bloodbath literal when Trump loses another election and claims again that he was cheated? Like they did on January 6th. There's a discernable pattern of behavior for those who care to look.
Are you pretty confident that everybody who heard that rhetoric interprets it that way? I mean, Trump supporters have been known to hear encouragements in Trump's speech that they later deny was intentional on Trump's part. January 6th is a good example of that. How confident are you that some Trump supporters won't be inspired to make that bloodbath literal when Trump loses another election and claims again that he was cheated? Like they did on January 6th. There's a discernable pattern of behavior for those who care to look.
So, you do understand and acknowledge that his comment has been taken out of context and flat out lied about by the media and Nancy Pelosi.
And, that is justified because there might be some Trump followers out there who will also take those words out of context and act out on them in a literal sense?
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Beerman said:
So, you do understand and acknowledge that his comment has been taken out of context and flat out lied about by the media and Nancy Pelosi.
And, that is justified because there might be some Trump followers out there who will also take those words out of context and act out on them in a literal sense?
I see...
No. I commented that there's another context that Trump's violent rhetoric must be considered in. I also commented that Trump supporters won't accept that context. Your comment is case in point.
Yes, the repeated and repetive violence of triggered Trump supporters shouldn't be ignored. They are predictable in their verbal attacks on people targeted by Trump. There a whole list of people targeted by Trump's violent rhetoric. Would it be helpful to review the very many examples of violent threats and harassment that have followed Trump's violent rhetoric and lies? That's the context that Trump apologists want us to ignore.
That's right, sometimes lots of angry Trump supporters act out based upon Trump's words. That happened January 6th after Trump lied about an election loss. He's going to lie about his loss again, in November, are you confident that there won't be a bloodbath following that? I bet you are.
I'm not sure how you're missing the context of his comments if you watched what he said.
He was talking about if the Chinese are able to build cars in Mexico and then export them to the US. The US automakers would suffer.
Smh
Fair enough and I'll back off from the idea that it was just thrown out there with him saying "If I don't get elected, it's going to be a blood bath for the whole — that's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a blood bath for the country..". You might notice at the time he said it and the frenzy afterward I made no comment to this post. Still he didn't offer much of an explanation of what that meant and what it would look like. I think that the media jumped on his use of the word "bloodbath" for clickbait.
What did Pelosi say that was a lie? She said "We just have to win this election because he's even predicting a blood bath, What does that mean? He's going to exact a blood bath? There's something wrong here. How respectful I am of the American people and their goodness. But how much more do they have to see from him to understand that this isn't what our country is about? Praising Hitler, praising the Russians, honestly, I mean, condemning our soldiers for losing or dying in war or being captured in war.”
I like this writer's interpretation in that he criticizes the press but understands.
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Trump defenders note correctly that the term "bloodbath" often is used metaphorically. It's commonplace in coverage of Wall Street (”Five Tech Stocks That Survived NASDAQ's Bloodbath This Year”), and Trump's recent purge of Republican National Committee staff was dubbed a bloodbath by many of the outlets now aghast at Trump's use of the word.
What Trump defenders elide is that the former president has forfeited any presumption of good intentions. Trump winks at and even celebrates violence all the time. He fawns over authoritarians and insists that presidents, like rogue cops, should have complete immunity to commit crimes. When the Capitol was under siege by a mob acting on his behalf, he declined to intervene for hours. He even defended the mob's chants of "Hang Mike Pence!”
Heck, Trump once again celebrated those "great patriots" of Jan. 6 during the same rally Saturday, declaring those convicted of assault and other crimes "hostages.” If these convicted criminals are hostages, where are the ransom demands?
On the other hand, what is he talking about? Note that GM is an American multinational corporation.
The auto industry has always had ups and downs based on a lot of things. Seasonally, this time of after the holidays is a slower time in the industry but last year was okay wasn't it?
I'm reading that 2024 will be a tepid year but one that grows marginally. As always Trump is making things up. I guess politicians will do that.
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More new vehicles were sold across the United States than in any year since 2019 with the industry bouncing back after the COVID-19 pandemic and the supply shortages that it helped trigger. Leading the sales race was General Motors.
Analysts expect overall U.S. sales to have hit around 15.5 million in 2023, which would be represent an increase of around 13% over 2022, but a final number won't be known until all brands publish their sales figures in the coming days.
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Tweety said:
Fair enough and I'll back off from the idea that it was just thrown out there with him saying "If I don't get elected, it's going to be a blood bath for the whole — that's going to be the least of it. It's going to be a blood bath for the country..". You might notice at the time he said it and the frenzy afterward I made no comment to this post. Still he didn't offer much of an explanation of what that meant and what it would look like. I think that the media jumped on his use of the word "bloodbath" for clickbait.
What did Pelosi say that was a lie? She said "We just have to win this election because he's even predicting a blood bath, What does that mean? He's going to exact a blood bath? There's something wrong here. How respectful I am of the American people and their goodness. But how much more do they have to see from him to understand that this isn't what our country is about? Praising Hitler, praising the Russians, honestly, I mean, condemning our soldiers for losing or dying in war or being captured in war.”
I like this writer's interpretation in that he criticizes the press but understands.
On the other hand, what is he talking about? Note that GM is an American multinational corporation.
The auto industry has always had ups and downs based on a lot of things. Seasonally, this time of after the holidays is a slower time in the industry but last year was okay wasn't it?
I'm reading that 2024 will be a tepid year but one that grows marginally. As always Trump is making things up. I guess politicians will do that.
You are correct. Trump supporters just want us to consider Trump's words only in a narrow context that they approve of. The rest of the American people understand that the context is much broader when it comes to Trump's use of violent rhetoric. We don't think that January 6 was a tour.
That's a good question, if the criminals are hostages, what are the demands for for their release?
You are correct. Trump supporters just want us to consider Trump's words only in a narrow context that they approve of. The rest of the American people understand that the context is much broader when it comes to Trump's use of violent rhetoric. We don't think that January 6 was a tour.
That's a good question, if the criminals are hostages, what are the demands for for their release?
It is interesting how some people interpret things, like people convicted by the courts as "hostages". Didn't Trump say he would release them when he gets elected, as they are "patriots".
I also remember a poster here calling the events of Jan. 6 "tourists taking pictures" or something like that.
Speaking of labeling things and twisting things, conservative influencer Charlie Kirk and show host put on X "The $1.2 trillion spending bill that just passed the House includes 12,000 new special immigrant visas for Afghans. Apparently this measure drew bipartisan support. Invade the world, invite the world. It's the neocon way."
Never mind these are refugees that supported the Americans in the War and were at least not abandoned there but instead of it being the decent thing to do it's "invade the world, invite the world". I guess Bush is the "neocon" that was the invader. Who knew?
The same guy also allegedly said " "I want to make sure that we all make a commitment that if this election doesn't go our way, the next day we fight,” not a call to violence per se but a call to fight democracy. I can't find validation because it seems only left wing media is reporting this.
Trump is about to create better cash flow for himself, this could be a multi-million dollar windfall.
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Trump's stake will be tied up for much of the year under a so-called lock-up agreement, a normal arrangement for such deals to ensure that insiders don't bail as soon as a company goes public and push down the stock price.
Trump could try to obtain a waiver from that rule, but even then he wouldn't be able to sell more than a small fraction of his stake at any given time — up to 1 percent of the outstanding shares every quarter. And if he eventually does unload a large quantity of stock, the ramifications could be significant, according to investors and others watching the deal. That's because Trump himself is the heart of the venture, they say, and any sign that his interest is waning could chill investors.
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Yet Trump Media's business today solely revolves around Truth Social. The conservative social media platform has failed to attract the same user base as X. Trump's own follower count on X is still 13 times larger than on Truth Social, despite the fact he exclusively posts on Truth. Trump Media, meanwhile, is bleeding money. The company generated a more than $26 million loss in the quarter ended Sept. 30, 2023.
That's a pretty big loss for the Trump Media Group. Truth Social had losses of nearly $50 million in 2023.
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Wouldn't it be nice to be able to read all of that report and not just the parts that Trump's AG allowed us to read?