The Trump Thread

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I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can.  My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.  

He's not going away.

Haberman's book is out based on interviews.  I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting.  Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with.  LOL

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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/09/25/trump-dishes-to-his-psychiatrist-00058732

heron said:

The speaker had a point, right up to the point where he claimed that nobody lost money on trump's shenanigans. Those overvalued properties, as well as trump's own lifestyle. suck up significant local resources financed by local taxpayers. He and his bankers need to help pay those bills.

I'm curious as to how his property values and lifestyle suck up resources financed by local taxpayers?

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Beerman said:

I'm curious as to how his property values and lifestyle suck up resources financed by local taxpayers?

Good question. First, there's the obvious emergency services such as law enforcement, fire dept., EMS and the local emergency medical resources. Not to mention logistical support for all that.

There's also local infrastructure: roads, bridges, public transportation, traffic control and so on.

Municipal services like official record-keeping, especially regarding land ownership, aren't cheap, either.

Along with all that, someone has to pay for the courts where he files his divorces and starts his various lawsuits. That court system is also where his creditors have to go when he refuses to pay his bills.

Local property taxes are generally based on some official calculation of the property's value. Keeping that value low is reasonable. But lower value = lower taxes. We know that trump lies about his numbers, so it's also reasonable to question whether he lied to the tax man, too. When does tax avoidance become tax evasion?

Just sayin'

heron said:

Good question. First, there's the obvious emergency services such as law enforcement, fire dept., EMS and the local emergency medical resources. Not to mention logistical support for all that.

There's also local infrastructure: roads, bridges, public transportation, traffic control and so on.

Municipal services like official record-keeping, especially regarding land ownership, aren't cheap, either.

Along with all that, someone has to pay for the courts where he files his divorces and starts his various lawsuits. That court system is also where his creditors have to go when he refuses to pay his bills.

Local property taxes are generally based on some official calculation of the property's value. Keeping that value low is reasonable. But lower value = lower taxes. We know that trump lies about his numbers, so it's also reasonable to question whether he lied to the tax man, too. When does tax avoidance become tax evasion?

Just sayin'

Well, that's certainly a interesting way of thinking.

And, then you also believe all that justifies the state suing Trump for millions on a seperate matter, to pay back the taxpayers?

Wow.

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Who knew that it bothered Trump or his supporters for a candidate to deny an election loss? It was quite  interesting when Trump, the king of BS, talked about not letting people get away with BS. 

It's always fun to watch Trump mock and embarrass other Republicans, like Tim Scott.  Mr. Scott must really want to be VP to be willing to swallow his pride on stage like that.  

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https://www.axios.com/2024/01/23/desantis-criticizes-trump-after-endorsement

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"I think that was part of the reason the turnout was low [in Iowa], because people had been told it's a fait accompli," DeSantis said. "Trump's up so much in the polls, he's got the nomination."

"It's a huge warning sign for Republicans nationally, based on what we saw in Iowa," he continued, citing lifelong conservatives he spoke to who said they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump again.

"So he's got to figure out a way to solve that. I think there's an enthusiasm problem overall."

Geez, that's an unusual endorsement from the Florida governor.  This begs the question, why did he endorse Trump and not Haley who clearly can pull in more moderate voters?

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https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4424225-trump-jan-6-case-gag-order-appeals-court-declines-review/

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That decision largely affirmed a prior ruling from Judge Tanya Chutkan, who barred Trump from making statements that "target" foreseeable witnesses, court staff and prosecutors.

The appeals court refined that directive, barring Trump from any statements "made with the intent to materially interfere with, or to cause others to materially interfere with" the course of the case.

The D.C. Circuit's refusal to rehear the case is likely to bring the issue to the Supreme Court next. Trump could petition the justices to review the gag order and also ask them to put it on hold in the meantime.

It's hard to imagine that Trump won't take this to the SCOTUS. Trump is certain that rules for conduct or utterances don't apply to him.  

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https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/jan/24/johnny-marr-the-smiths-songs-playing-at-donald-trump-rally-rallies

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The Smiths' music has reportedly been heard at multiple Trump rallies recently, including at his rally in Laconia, New Hampshire on Monday.

Musicians including Adele, the Beatles, Bruce Springsteen, Elton John, the Rolling Stones, Queen, Pharrell Williams and the estates of Prince, David Bowie and Tom Petty have objected in the past to Trump and his team playing their music at public events. Some acts, including the Rolling Stones, have issued cease-and-desist directives to prevent Trump's campaign playing their music. However, in the case of the Rolling Stones and Prince, Trump's campaign has, on occasion, continued to use their music after pledging not to.

Trump engages in rule breaking, with impunity, on nearly every level of his public life. 

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Beerman said:

Well, that's certainly a interesting way of thinking.

And, then you also believe all that justifies the state suing Trump for millions on a seperate matter, to pay back the taxpayers?

Wow.

Yep, and apparently Trump could lose control of his New York business interests which were involved in the fraud.  That seems like a powerful deterrent for wealthy cheats to be careful in breaking laws.  

heron said:

Local property taxes are generally based on some official calculation of the property's value.

Very good.

heron said:

Keeping that value low is reasonable. But lower value = lower taxes. We know that trump lies about his numbers, so it's also reasonable to question whether he lied to the tax man, too. When does tax avoidance become tax evasion?

Just sayin'

You do realize that those values that local property taxes are based on aren't provided by the property owner, don't you?

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Beerman said:

Well, that's certainly a interesting way of thinking.

And, then you also believe all that justifies the state suing Trump for millions on a seperate matter, to pay back the taxpayers?

Wow.

Well, he can't have it both ways. If his properties are valuable enough to collateralize such large loans, which is what he's claiming, then why would property tax valuations not be just as high if not for fraudulently depressed assessments?

And it's also interesting that the concept of paying a fair price for the services he gets should be such a novelty to you.

Wow, indeed.

heron said:

Well, he can't have it both ways. If his properties are valuable enough to collateralize such large loans, which is what he's claiming, then why would property tax valuations not be just as high if not for fraudulently depressed assessments?

And it's also interesting that the concept of paying a fair price for the services he gets should be such a novelty to you.

Wow, indeed.

Perhaps I'm missing something.  Is Trump accused of doing something fraudulent regarding his property taxes?  

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Beerman said:

Perhaps I'm missing something.  Is Trump accused of doing something fraudulent regarding his property taxes?  

Nah, that investigation was closed up last July, remember? Do you think that it's possible that Trump might get accused of doing something fraudulent with one of his properties for tax purposes?

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