Democrats are excited about Harris and as of this writing she's raised 100 million dollars since Biden announced he was dropping out and throwing his support behind her.
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"Republicans, I worry, vastly underestimate Kamala Harris. They don't think very highly of her. They don't think she's terribly bright. When you or I bring up Kamala Harris' name in Republican circles, people laugh. It's immediately a punchline," Cruz said Monday on his podcast "Verdict with Ted Cruz."
Cruz warned against Republicans preemptively celebrating a Trump-Vance win months out from the election, arguing Democrats and the media will promote Harris as an "historic" candidate.
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Beerman said:
Yes, I'm unaware. You made the claim. I asked, and it seems you don't really have an answer to back up the claim.
I've noticed no one else has jumped in to help you out.
Yes, you are the member claiming to be unaware of propaganda and misinformation about Harris, liberals or democrats circulating in American culture.
Maybe, like me they think the discussion thread is dumb and feel no need to perpetuate it. Apparently, you don't understand that our social media is full of propaganda and fabricated nonsense, lots of it designed to convince Americans that liberals and democrats are destroying our country. I'm content to let you feign ignorance while carefully ignoring that a large right wing propaganda mill was just in the news. It's hard to believe that you really don't know anything by about any propaganda critical of Harris or liberals.
The BBC interview I listened to said her portraying herself as a moderate was a facade to win over votes. Not sure that person is a victim of propaganda or looking at her record or stance on issues. Actually I'm sure the person is reasonably intelligent. He didn't say she wanted an open border, was a Marxist. or wanted to murder babies, just she's more progressive than her debate would indicate.
"Trump spoke for approximately 42 minutes and 52 seconds, while Harris spoke for 37 minutes and 36 seconds. Trump used about 12 minutes and 54 seconds of his total speaking time to attack Harris, while the vice president dedicated 17 minutes and 25 seconds to criticizing her opponent."
They failed to fact check her on various claims. The largest was the continued purposeful lie that Trump called supremist "fine people".
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Harris said Trump would implement "a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025" if elected. Trump is not directly tied to Project 2025, has repeatedly said he has not read it, and has said he likes some of the ideas in it and dislikes others. Trump's platform is called Agenda 47.
"Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression,” Harris said. The unemployment rate at the end of Trump's term was 6.4%. In May 2020, the unemployment rate was 14.7%, the worst since the Great Depression, mainly due to the COVID-19 pandemic, but by the time Trump left office, it had already begun to rebound.
Harris claimed that her administration created 800,000 manufacturing jobs while Trump's administration lost jobs in that industry. Those numbers need context: many jobs lost in the early days of the pandemic (under Trump) were refilled later (under Biden-Harris).
Harris: "Donald Trump the candidate has said in this election there will be a bloodbath, if this -- and the outcome of this election is not to his liking.” Trump said that the auto industry would experience a "bloodbath" if Biden was reelected (this was said before Harris was the candidate).
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In an example of a slanted question, Muir asked Trump, "Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent?” The framing of the question already implies disapproval on the part of the moderators. Rather than asking about the content of Trump's policies or comments, asking why the comments were appropriate intentionally forces Trump to answer a loaded question to which there is no good answer. Either he must say his comment was inappropriate, or say, "It is justified to comment on the racial identity of my opponent.” The question misses Trump's original point about Harris purportedly changing her stated identity and using her ethnicity for political gain.
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While moderators asked Trump about his purported involvement in Jan. 6, moderators did not ask Harris about posting about the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which was used to bail out protesters and rioters in Minneapolis in the wake of George Floyd's death, and which Harris has been criticized for.
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The BBC interview I listened to said her portraying herself as a moderate was a facade to win over votes. Not sure that person is a victim of propaganda or looking at her record or stance on issues. Actually I'm sure the person is reasonably intelligent. He didn't say she wanted an open border, was a Marxist. or wanted to murder babies, just she's more progressive than her debate would indicate.
They also found her more honest. duh
I think there's a difference between thinking that she's trying to look moderate to win votes than to think that Trump's economic plan would be better or that Harris is responsible for illegal immigrant crossings. The latter things are not true. You have to watch for the untruths to spot the propaganda. Not everyone who isn't excited about Harris is influenced by propaganda, but is difficult to explain why people would vote for the guy who failed so badly and then tried to overthrow an election outside of propaganda and indoctrination into a specific POV. Just going on facts and data, why would a patriot vote for the guy?
Certainly not everyone is influenced by propaganda, but lots and lots of people are subtly influenced by the repetition of intentionally misleading information.
Think about the propaganda that damaged Clinton. Sure, there was the crazy stuff but there was lots and lots of subtle misinformation, rumor, suggestion, little lies and stories and claims and speculations and on and on. Those end up getting repeated by legacy media simply because so many Republicans and their voters talk about it and repeat it... like the election fraud stuff. The tail wags the dog in that way.
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Crusades said:
They failed to fact check her on various claims. The largest was the continued purposeful lie that Trump called supremist "fine people".
This is a nice balanced take by Allsides.
We all know what Trump said about the white supremacists and we know that you defend his words.
Trumps duties on January 6th are not in the least similar to the fund used to provide bail for peaceful protesters or a senator contributing to that fund. You should know that by now. Trump had actual responsibilities on that day. Do you know what Trump's responsibilities included on January 6th? He certainly couldn't articulate them. Why would we reelect a man that doesn't understand the duties of the presidency and failed to carry them out the first time?
Why shouldn't a white man with a history of racist behavior and language get questioned about his persistent racism? Aren't those kind of character flaws important?
I think there's a difference between thinking that she's trying to look moderate to win votes than to think that Trump's economic plan would be better or that Harris is responsible for illegal immigrant crossings. The latter things are not true. You have to watch for the untruths to spot the propaganda. Not everyone who isn't excited about Harris is influenced by propaganda, but is difficult to explain why people would vote for the guy who failed so badly and then tried to overthrow an election outside of propaganda and indoctrination into a specific POV. Just going on facts and data, why would a patriot vote for the guy?
Certainly not everyone is influenced by propaganda, but lots and lots of people are subtly influenced by the repetition of intentionally misleading information.
Think about the propaganda that damaged Clinton. Sure, there was the crazy stuff but there was lots and lots of subtle misinformation, rumor, suggestion, little lies and stories and claims and speculations and on and on. Those end up getting repeated by legacy media simply because so many Republicans and their voters talk about it and repeat it... like the election fraud stuff. The tail wags the dog in that way.
I'd be willing to bet that she's also paying attention to how much support Biden lost when he tried to look like a progressive when he really isn't.
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heron said:
Either that or she's paying attention to how much support Biden lost when he tried to look like a progressive when he really isn't.
I think Harris is a skilled politician that really is interested in having a more authentic relationship and conversation with the American people than Trump is capable of. Conservatives will naturally be suspicious, their media leaves little to no room for common ground.
I think Harris is a skilled politician that really is interested in having a more authentic relationship and conversation with the American people than Trump is capable of. Conservatives will naturally be suspicious, their media leaves little to no room for common ground.
Well, she needs to remember that most people dislike being lied to. If she decides to try, she better have a good reason. False advertising is not harmless.
I think there's a difference between thinking that she's trying to look moderate to win votes than to think that Trump's economic plan would be better or that Harris is responsible for illegal immigrant crossings. The latter things are not true. You have to watch for the untruths to spot the propaganda. Not everyone who isn't excited about Harris is influenced by propaganda, but is difficult to explain why people would vote for the guy who failed so badly and then tried to overthrow an election outside of propaganda and indoctrination into a specific POV. Just going on facts and data, why would a patriot vote for the guy?
Certainly not everyone is influenced by propaganda, but lots and lots of people are subtly influenced by the repetition of intentionally misleading information.
Think about the propaganda that damaged Clinton. Sure, there was the crazy stuff but there was lots and lots of subtle misinformation, rumor, suggestion, little lies and stories and claims and speculations and on and on. Those end up getting repeated by legacy media simply because so many Republicans and their voters talk about it and repeat it... like the election fraud stuff. The tail wags the dog in that way.
Propaganda is a historical method used throughout history. In one way or another. And sometimes who ever provides information the best way wins. It's exclusing used by every campaign and presidential race in history.
These are all reasonable points. The issue is the way in which you format your comments suggest that you think propaganda, deception and misinformation is exclusing to Republicans.
Now if that's not what your intending , I have to say it most certainly seems this way. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but I do not think so?
I'll try one more time. What lies and propaganda about Harris are 50% of independents believing that make them say she is too liberal or progressive?
Well, there's the conservative claim that anyone to the left of, say, Clarence Thomas or Joe Manchin is a "far left radical". They tried it with Obama and Biden, too. That kind of false advertising is often pretty effective at influencing market share. To quote Rush Limbaugh, "Words mean things.”
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Yes, I'm unaware. You made the claim. I asked, and it seems you don't really have an answer to back up the claim.
I've noticed no one else has jumped in to help you out.