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Democrats are excited about Harris and as of this writing she's raised 100 million dollars since Biden announced he was dropping out and throwing his support behind her.

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"Republicans, I worry, vastly underestimate Kamala Harris. They don't think very highly of her. They don't think she's terribly bright. When you or I bring up Kamala Harris' name in Republican circles, people laugh. It's immediately a punchline," Cruz said Monday on his podcast "Verdict with Ted Cruz." 

Cruz warned against Republicans preemptively celebrating a Trump-Vance win months out from the election, arguing Democrats and the media will promote Harris as an "historic" candidate. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cruz-warns-against-underestimating-harris-dems-pitching-her-mother-teresa-oprah-gandhi-combo

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Biden echoed Harris's theme.  Now is not the time to continue fear based rhetoric.  I know after all the rhetoric such kind talk seems a bit off.  I get that.  

I'm not saying the Harris campaign and democrats didn't engage in fear based rhetoric.  They certainly did.  But isn't it time to breathe and stop?  There will be plenty of discussion when he takes office and I look forward to disagreeing with you all again then.  LOL

Trump is not an innocent victim and with the help of his media, particularly Fox News who portrayed as the country being on fire ridden in crime from immigrants, and the country in ruins, engaged in plenty of fear-based rhetoric himself.   That cities were being invaded and occupied.  That there are enemies within.I'll never get over "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats". LOL. I've seen the very inaccurate commercials. 

Anyway, like I said above, now is the time to lay down the arms in surrender and move forward.  I'm sure I said something similar when Biden finally was declared the winner.  

Trump most likely is going to tone down as well as he won.

Heard on BBC and elsewhere:

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"Campaigns are contests of competing visions. The country chooses one or the other. We accept the choice the country made. I've said many times: you can't love your country only when you win. You can't love your neighbor only when you agree. Something I hope we can do no matter who you voted for is see each other not as adversaries but as fellow Americans. Bring down the temperature,” 

 

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Tweety said:

Biden echoed Harris theme.  Now is not the time to continue fear based rhetoric.  I totally agree the Harris campaign capitalized on that.  

Trump is not an innocent victim and with the help of his media, particularly Fox News who portrayed as the country being on fire ridden in crime from immigrants, and the country in ruins, engaged in plenty of fear-based rhetoric himself.  I'll never get over "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats".  LOL

Anyway, like I said above, now is the time to lay down the arms in surrender and move forward.  I'm sure I said something similar when Biden finally was declared the winner.  (Didn't happen but that's always the expectation I have, win or lose)

Heard on BBC and elsewhere:

 

You've made some good points, and you're right in that Trump isn't totally innocent. 

Hitler is on another level, though.  He was responsible for the murder of millions.  Biden and Harris participated in that.  Most recently, Biden said people like me were "garbage".  And we've seen that kind of speech and attitude here directed at Trump voters, albeit a bit more indirect as to not get kicked out.  And, will probably see it again should those folks come back.

 So as Crusades said, it still seems rather ingenious when Biden and Harris are now calling for us to "bring down the temperature " and unite.

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Tweety said:

 

Some people are still saying that, but I would disagree that Harris or Biden should be the ones.  They are doing the right thing and putting down their arms and surrendering.  It's how it should be done.  We can agree to disagree on that.  

I might add that before the nomination Republicans, including his VP pick and much of his former staff (some in jail) have said similar awful things about him. When he won, they did an about face.

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Vance said that he fell victim to the rhetoric as well. Then he saw what Trump did not do his first 4 years and most importantly what he did do. 

Trump brought on a lot of this himself with his own brand of fear based rhetoric.  For example he said "I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people. Radical left lunatics, I think it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can't let that happen,”

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Trump is fully accountable for the criticisms he receives, however the people who call him "Hitler, existential racist dictator" are also accountable for what they say. They are now paying the price for it in another 4 yr term and a popular vote. 

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Some of the goveners and mayors in the cities of the 2020 riots did not react to the rioting appropriately.  The national guard can help with that. People who riot are thev"enemy within" including Jan.6 rioters. These ate not noble citizens. These are the people Trump is refering to. 

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Calling immigrants "vermin destroying the blood of our country, they're destroying the fabric of our country..." were considered similar to writings of Hitler.  Allegedly he made comments to staff "Hitler did some good things too......".   

Trump owns this it is a disgusting comment referencing vermin. And Hitler is in his own ball park that goes beyond nasty names.  As for his staff saying he was complimenting Hitler, I think the American people have earned the grace of skepticism at this point.

 

 

 

These kinds of things are rife for starting some of the things that were said about him.  Can you blame the left for making some stretches and publicizing that especially during a campaign? 

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I don't blame the left for drawing comparisons and engaging in mud slinging.  It's as common as the cold. However they took it too far. That's one of the reasons why they lost. They could have just condemned the comment without the Hitler comparison.  It probably would have done more damage. People no longer believe that rhetoric.  

I'm sorry your mother is "terrified".  I'm hearing more "I can't believe he won...." and I'm seeing a lot of hurt, anger and disappointment in my social circles, but not a lot of fear per se.

As for me, I'm not feeling fear but definitely dreading these next four years.  

 

 

I hope to the bottom of my heart that you have the most amazing 4 yrs. Whether that's because of Trump or not!! 

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You've made some good points, and you're right in that Trump isn't totally innocent. 

Hitler is on another level, though.  He was responsible for the murder of millions.  Biden and Harris participated in that.  Most recently, Biden said people like me were "garbage".  And we've seen that kind of speech and attitude here directed at Trump voters, albeit a bit more indirect as to not get kicked out.  And, will probably see it again should those folks come back.

 So as Crusades said, it still seems rather ingenious when Biden and Harris are now calling for us to "bring down the temperature " and unite.

Fair enough Biden did accuse him of using Hilter's language.  Nor did they make an effort to silence the rhetoric coming from their followers.  

At this point, would it be appropriate to say nothing so as not to appear disingenuous?  To continue the rhetoric that he's a threat to democracy?  To say it was rigged and that Harris is the true winner?  To undermine the election and call for people to have a protest to "Stop the Steal"?  

Nothing to do but accept reality and be mature about it.  

I too hope for a toning down of the rhetoric. There's still a lot out there as people process the loss.  But because I want the rhetoric to stop doesn't change a thing about anything I've said or how I feel about Trump.  It doesn't make it disingenuous of me to what liberals tone it down. 

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Tweety said:

You might have to tell me what the typo "Anyvquestingbif" is supposed to mean.

 

 

It meant to say " Any questioning of an election..........". 

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Crusades said:

I hope to the bottom of my heart that you have the most amazing 4 yrs. Whether that's because of Trump or not!! 

Thank you.  Given the back to back hurricanes and subsequent damage it's not ending too well, especially financially.  But it can only get better.  LOL

When you listen to people on why they voted for him and why he won, that a contingent of liberals compared him to Hitler and that he's a dictator, doesn't seem to be on the list.  I appreciate that you're angry about this and this obviously has been an issue you've discussed many times on this forum over the past year.  As off putting as it was I don't think that's what cost the election if you listen to people on the streets.  They thought the country was going in the wrong direction and the direction Trump would lead them to is better, especially given inflation.  I almost think inflation more than any other issue cost the election.

Trump's rhetoric got increasingly dark and he seemed unhinged, along with the Harris campaign's "threat to Democracy" claims.  I do think Democrats underestimated the power optimism.  

Anyway, water under the bridge.  I hope it tones down.

 

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Tweety said:

Biden echoed Harris's theme.  Now is not the time to continue fear based rhetoric.  I know after all the rhetoric such kind talk seems a bit off.  I get that.  

I'm not saying the Harris campaign and democrats didn't engage in fear based rhetoric.  They certainly did.  But isn't it time to breathe and stop?  There will be plenty of discussion when he takes office and I look forward to disagreeing with you all again then.  LOL

Trump is not an innocent victim and with the help of his media, particularly Fox News who portrayed as the country being on fire ridden in crime from immigrants, and the country in ruins, engaged in plenty of fear-based rhetoric himself.   That cities were being invaded and occupied.  That there are enemies within.I'll never get over "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats". LOL. I've seen the very inaccurate commercials. 

Anyway, like I said above, now is the time to lay down the arms in surrender and move forward.  I'm sure I said something similar when Biden finally was declared the winner.  

Trump most likely is going to tone down as well as he won.

Heard on BBC and elsewhere:

 

My apologies.  My initial reply to this was intended to reply to each of the points and make it easier. 

It failed miserably.  

These are my words as they were intended. 

 

Trump is fully accountable for the criticisms he receives, however the people who call him "Hitler, existential racist dictator" are also accountable for what they say. They are now paying the price for it in another 4 yr term and a popular vote. 

Some of the goveners and mayors in the cities of the 2020 riots did not react to the rioting appropriately. The national guard can help with that. People who riot are the "enemy within" including Jan.6 rioters. Theseare  not noble citizens. These are the people Trump is refering to. The National guard would have been beneficial for both 2020 and 

 

Trump deserves  this  disgusting comment  referencing vermin. And Hitler is in his own ball park that goes beyond nasty names. As for his staff saying he was complimenting Hitler, I think the American people have earned the grace of skepticism at this point.

I don't blame the left for drawing comparisons and engaging in mud slinging. It's as common as the cold for both parties.  However they took it too far. That's one of the reasons why they lost. They could have just condemned the comment without the Hitler comparison. It probably would have done more damage. People no longer believe that rhetoric.  

I hope to the bottom of my heart that you have the most amazing 4 yrs. Whether that's because of Trump or not!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tweety said:

Thank you.  Given the back to back hurricanes and subsequent damage it's not ending too well, especially financially.  But it can only get better.  LOL

When you listen to people on why they voted for him and why he won, that a contingent of liberals compared him to Hitler and that he's a dictator, doesn't seem to be on the list.  I appreciate that you're angry about this and this obviously has been an issue you've discussed many times on this forum over the past year.  As off putting as it was I don't think that's what cost the election if you listen to people on the streets.  They thought the country was going in the wrong direction and the direction Trump would lead them to is better, especially given inflation.  I almost think inflation more than any other issue cost the election.

Trump's rhetoric got increasingly dark and he seemed unhinged, along with the Harris campaign's "threat to Democracy" claims.  

Anyway, water under the bridge.  I hope it tones down.

 

I do not think people thought the country was going so badly that they thought a equivalent to Hitler was needed. I think this was hyperbole by the democrats that they threw too hard and fast. They made them self a hole and couldn't possibly tone it down or stop as it was a primary attack point. 

However Trump gave them allot of material. That's for sure. 

Not sure about word on the street and I trust your information.  

I've noticed allot if democrat self reflection on how they lost the election. I've noticed even left msm has toned it down. Except some on CNN and MSNBC where Joy Reid slammed white wonem and continued with her racist vile garbage. Another talking moron with AL Sharpton blamed "misogynist hispanics" for being racist against  black woman on CNN. . Along with more vile trash. 

I have to omit I am entertained by the TikTok melt downs. Looool. 

 

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I expect that from Al Sharpton.  

It is interesting what goes too far and is vile and what gets a pass.

 

 

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Tweety said:

I expect that from Al Sharpton.  

It is interesting what goes too far and is vile and what gets a pass.

 

 

Yes. Racist speak is always vial. 

There's really not a comparison but in my opinion using the tragic reality of racism and the countless victims that it hurt, is worse. 

POC are plagued by racism according to Sharpton and the other radical race pirates enough, so putting them against eachother is abhorrent.  Or suggesting someone is racist for their vote. 

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