At first I wasn't going to write this post since I believe that a film that appears to be (at least in part) based on thoroughly discredited, fear-mongering nonsense should get as little attention as possible.
Then after browsing several anti-vaccine and conspiracist websites I found as I suspected, that this has already exploded and whatever I write here won't make matters any worse.
The film 'Vaxxed' is directed by Mr Andrew Wakefield, a former physician who lost his medical license after research that he had authored, was found fraudulent (containing as I understand it, both methodological and ethical flaws).
Just watching the trailer for this film elevated my BP into dangerous territory. How is it that this man keeps promoting the same debunked data to this day? Hasn't it caused enough harm already?
It seems that anti-vaccine proponents span the entire spectrum from sadly misinformed to clearly unhinged. However, no matter what their individual motivation happens to be, they are in my opinion dangerous. We have fought a hard battle against diseases that today are vaccine-preventable. Millions of children have died in the past and some still do, to this day. We don't see much of it in first-world countries due to the success of vaccines. Anti-vaccine proponents seem to believe that the "olden days" were better. I think it's deeply worrisome.
In my escapades around the internet, I've found all sorts of scary blogs, clips and opinions relating to childhood vaccines.
This YouTube clip rather amusingly (in a sad way) has 90 likes and zero (!) dislikes (probably because no rational person would even click on it in the first place). (I'm not sure what this says about me)
Anyway this women thinks that nagalese (an enzyme) is added on purpose to vaccines in order to induce autism, cancer and type 2 diabetes in vaccine recipients. And the doctors who discovered this were subsequently murdered to cover this up. This vaccine tampering seems to be a part of some nefarious population control plot.
(It seems that alpha-N-acetylgalactoseaminidase (referred to as nagalese in the YouTube clip) can deglycosylate vitamin D binding protein (DBP) and DBP plays a role in the immune cascade response. So it seems that alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase can interfere with the immune response. While some cancer cells can release alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase, I've found no proof that injecting them into humans induces cancers, never mind autism and DMII. I will however admit that I didn't spend an inordinate amount of time researching her theory).
I admit that this last video is a bit extreme. But this woman and other "anti-vaxxers" have one thing on common. They are willing to accept something as true, even when there is no supporting evidence available.
Serious questions:
* Why are some people so vulnerable/susceptible to flawed logic and poor research?
* What can we as nurses/healthcare professionals do to ensure that our patients base their decisions on sound evidence-based facts or at least have the opportunity to do so? Or should we just reconcile ourselves with the fact that a portion of the population will base their decisions on questionable or outright false information, misconceptions and fear?
Warning: I am in rare mood this morning (in the good way)
Please provide a link to anything that shows how kloss successfully treated rabies with hyperthermia. A google search of this approach returned zero results.
Side effects include foaming at the mouth...
This turn†in the conversation reminded me of treatments for diseases prior to the discovery of penicillin;
In the western starring Lee Marvin (Cat Ballou), reference is made to a cure for VD the first step of which is "..heat a silver needle 'till it's red-hot.."
Now the risk/benefit analysis is quite different here (admittedly Doxycycline, Penicillin G benzathine, Tetracycline are not preventive†vaccines).
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banterings, re, HPV; have you taken chemo? Why subject yourself to that?
Never had it myself, but watched my mom go through it. Absolute misery, and not just physical (nausea, vomiting, surgery to place the port, pain from having the port accessed...)- there's also the emotional aspects of the body changes (no hair, no eyebrows, no eyelashes, etc). Why would anyone want to go through that when it can be prevented?
He added that if vaccines truly work to protect children and adults, then there should be no worry about vaccinated children and vaccinated adults being exposed to non-vaccinated children & non-vaccinated adults!
Many posts in this thread explain exactly why herd immunity is a problem.
If you do not read or do not understand what you read it is not the same as it not being true.
The back end costs of single dose can be significant, such as storage, waste disposal, etc. The specific situation that I defined is a facility's free vaccine clinic. In this situation, the number of unused doses would be minimal as compared to keeping multi-dose in a setting geared for patients that are not employees.
For that reason of the unused doses being minimal, the only other possible source of waste would be user error.†I too agree that nurses who regularly administer injectables are proficient at doing that, so I was scratching my head on that.
The vaccination setting that I describe, prediction of vaccine use will have a extremely high confidence level (96th percentile) being that the percentage that choose the facility's free vaccines versus those that chose their own provider will remain very consistent from year to year barring any major staffing changes.
Now that the waste of unused doses is taken out of the equation, the increase in storage (space, handling, etc.) combined with the exponential increase of medical waste.
The costs associated with reconstitution syringes (cost of syringe itself, disposal) go down as number of doses per vial goes up, and cost associated with single dose significantly offsets any additional multi dose costs.
Flu vaccinations are not reconstituted, there is no Reconstitution Syringe.
Single dose syringes need only a needle attachment.
Multi-dose syringes need both a syringe and a needle.
Factoring these in it is still more cost-effective for many heavy-flow clinics to use single dose rather than multi-dose vaccines. Which is what your question asked originally, Why would an administration choose to use single dose instead of multi dose vials if it isn't for safety?
I am NOT questioning the safety of multi dose or single dose. I am questioning how many facilities use multi dose for their own employees as a cost saving measure.
No, this is exactly what you questioned when you first brought it up. You asked why any administration would use a costlier form of vaccine, that being a single dose vial instead of a less expensive multi-use one, if not for safety? YOU asked that question and cannot now say you did not.I
I answered you with a very reasonable explanation as to why this choice is often made. You just didn't like the answer, so you refocused on expense rather than safety. I responded just now that there are reasons that have nothing to do with safety, as both forms of the vaccine are safe. You can say you are not making these statements, but there they are on the page, under your own name.
I reviewed the information I had posted about Jethro Kloss treating tetorifice (lockjaw) with hyperthermia (like a sauna or steam bath), and I want to correct what I wrote.
Jethro Kloss, in his book "Back to Eden", spoke of rabies (hydrophobia), not tetorifice, being treated with hyperthermia.
For "lockjaw" (from tetorifice), Jethro Kloss used an herbal mixture called "Anti-spasmodic tincture", and his book describes the herbal ingredients of "Anti-spasmodic tincture" (based on a small amount of lobelia and a bit of red pepper, plus additional herbs).
I apologize for the error. Anyone with either tetorifice or rabies should, of course, be treated as soon as one "steps on a rusty nail" or is bitten by an animal, by his/her Medical Doctor (M.D.)
Ah yes, and that first line treatment? A rabies/tetorifice shot.
Some years back I saw a documentary about a teenage girl from WI (I think) who got rabies. She'd been bitten by a bat, thought nothing of it and didn't tell her parents, and her parents took her in when she started having sx. She initially didn't tell the MD either...it was more of a "well there was that bat" kind of thing.
The story was docu-worthy because rabies had been thought of as untreatable once sx appeared. They ended up putting her in a medically induced coma. The idea was to eliminate as much neural function as possible, to minimize encephalopathic damage and give her immune system time to fight the virus.
(side note: I'm referencing this documentary because her medical team relied HEAVILY on the application of principles found in peer reviewed literature to make a treatment plan.)
I don't remember if they mentioned therapeutic hypothermia... an article in the NEJM mentioned reducing the room temperature which decreased her core body temp by 3 degrees C. As of 2005 she was the only known case to survive rabies *after the onset of sx* and I don't know if they've been able to replicate the success of her treatment; I'd have to do more reading. However it stands to reason that if the one thing that's worked was the suppression of neural function, the last thing they should do is put someone in a sauna. For severe TBIs with difficult-to-control ICPs, and ESEPCIALLY if running fevers, we use induced normothermia (37.5 degrees) or hypothermia (33.5 degrees.) Near-drownings involving icy water have better outcomes than warmer water...why? Because the body was cooled.
here's the case report on the rabies girl -- MMS: Error (not sure why the link says MMS: Error...but I just clicked on it and found the article)
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I reviewed the information I had posted about Jethro Kloss treating tetorifice (lockjaw) with hyperthermia (like a sauna or steam bath), and I want to correct what I wrote.
Jethro Kloss, in his book "Back to Eden", spoke of rabies (hydrophobia), not tetorifice, being treated with hyperthermia.
For "lockjaw" (from tetorifice), Jethro Kloss used an herbal mixture called "Anti-spasmodic tincture", and his book describes the herbal ingredients of "Anti-spasmodic tincture" (based on a small amount of lobelia and a bit of red pepper, plus additional herbs).
I apologize for the error. Anyone with either tetorifice or rabies should, of course, be treated as soon as one "steps on a rusty nail" or is bitten by an animal, by his/her Medical Doctor (M.D.)
What? You mean "Eye of newt and toe of frog, Wool of bat and tongue of dog, Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting, Lizard's leg and howler's wing" won't cure tetorifice?
Conventional medicine is good for something after all, even if it's picking up the pieces and putting the patient back together again.
It's not the fear of unvaccinated children infecting vaccinated children. It's the fear of unvaccinated children getting infected PERIOD when it can be prevented and spreading it to OTHER unvaccinated children. It's needless. Cruel. Unnecessary.
Warning: I am in rare mood this morning (in the good way)
Side effects include foaming at the mouth...
This turn†in the conversation reminded me of treatments for diseases prior to the discovery of penicillin;
In the western starring Lee Marvin (Cat Ballou), reference is made to a cure for VD the first step of which is "..heat a silver needle 'till it's red-hot.."
Now the risk/benefit analysis is quite different here (admittedly Doxycycline, Penicillin G benzathine, Tetracycline are not preventive†vaccines).
I don't understand the point you're attempting to make. Or if you even are trying to make a point?
I'll only address the last paragraph of your post. The article in The Daily Telegraph (not my go-to when it comes to medical research) dated October 2008, is about an Indonesian man named Dede, who seems to have been afflicted by the genetic hereditary skin disorder called epidermodysplasia verruciformis. The disorder is associated with high risk of carcinoma of the skin and an abnormal susceptibility to human papilloma viruses. It seems the poor man passed away earlier this year from complications of the disease.
I haven't been able to find much reliable information about this case from credible medical sources. It seems like this unfortunate man's fate helped many tabloids boost their sales. He was dubbed "tree man" and pictures of his disfigured body are all over the web. It's in my opinion revolting how a person's debilitating disease is made into entertainment for the masses.
Anyway, I can't find any support for the fact that he was ever treated with chemotherapy (other than The Daily Telegraph). According to the article linked below, it seems at one point his doctors attempted treatment with an (unspecified) antiviral drug, but that he was too weak to tolerate it. I don't know if this is an accurate account or not, it's hardly a peer-reviewed medical journal.
I'm still not sure why you posted the link to the Daily Telegraph article in a thread about the film "Vaxxed". The HPV vaccine Gardasil (since this thread is about vaccines) protects against certain strains of HPV. It doesn't offer protection against the strains most often implicated in HPV skin infections in patients with epidermodysplasia verruciformis.
Even if your point had been correct and a vaccine-preventable HPV infection was indeed cured by the use of chemotherapy, wouldn't it be better to prevent the infection with a vaccine instead?
I am grateful that we have chemotherapy drugs as they are lifesavers for many cancer patients. But they are associated with both acute and late side effects, some of them quite serious. I don't think that they are an ideal choice as first-line treatment for viral infections, even if they had worked.
I really, really don't understand your intended message.
Manslaughter is NOT based on risk/benefit analysis, it is based on whether the death was unlawful or not. It is lawful both to vaccinate and NOT to vaccinate, therefore the deaths are not manslaughter. That was the purpose of my comparison; showing how the unvaccinated is not manslaughter.
Here is the federal Statute:
Whether or not "the death was unlawful or not" when it comes to patients who die as a result of medical interventions is actually based on a risk/benefit analysis and can also be based on other factors. To stick with the same example, bypass surgery is not illegal, but if a physician performs this intervention and there is adverse harm to the patient and the patient didn't actually need bypass surgery, then they can potentially be charged with manslaughter and similar examples have happened before. But given the same scenario where it had sufficient potential to benefit the patient then there is no basis for manslaughter charges because there was no criminal negligence.
The federal statute is a good start to understanding the relationship of negligence, adverse events, and criminal charges such as manslaughter but there's much more to it than that, here's a more in depth legal explanation:
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to cover this up. This vaccine tampering seems to be a part of some nefarious population control plot.
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Warning: I am in rare mood this morning (in the good way)
Side effects include foaming at the mouth...
This turn†in the conversation reminded me of treatments for diseases prior to the discovery of penicillin;
In the western starring Lee Marvin (Cat Ballou), reference is made to a cure for VD the first step of which is "..heat a silver needle 'till it's red-hot.."
Now the risk/benefit analysis is quite different here (admittedly Doxycycline, Penicillin G benzathine, Tetracycline are not preventive†vaccines).
HPV has been successfully cured with chemo therapy. (Reference: No Cookies | Daily Telegraph )