I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
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Tweety said:
I think the point is that Trump does indeed have a cult following, a sizable one at that, sizable enough to give him the nomination, that isn't attuned with reality, he also has people voting for him that's a vote for logical reasons such as conservative policies and that he isn't Biden. You can't lump all people voting for Trump as members of a cult.
Trump has a cult.
Cult members exhibit cult behavior in their personal and social media interactions. Chilly members identify themselves by their own words and attempts to gas light people on Trump's behalf.
Does your question mean that you still don't know what the signs of a cult world include?
Since I never suggested that anyone should "not believe their own eyes" you must be talking about Trump or his cult members. Interestingly, your words amount to another projection of a Trump's pathology into others. Trump did actually say something to that effect in 2018.
No. You misunderstand. The cult consolidates all kinds of angry people including Nazis, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists and anarchists.
No. You still don't seem to grasp that propaganda is rhetoric designed and sometimes wholly fabricated to fit a narrative that the propagandists want you to believe. It is effective as we see in the era of Trump who repeats lies that you believe. That propaganda is part of the indoctrination that has you believing that 010621 was no big deal and that there was real reason to believe that the 2020 election was stolen.
Propaganda technique includes hyperbolic assertions that are factually true but distorted to convey a differnt message. Often inflated and appeals to emotion.
Then it is repeated using the same chant like phrases over and over and over.
The sentences are structured almost uniformly the same way. Ironically a method used in cults.
I didn't say it was "no big deal" I think any and all violence especially mob violence is not acceptable. However my opinion doesnt fluctuate depending in the ideoly of the mob. Democrats are a glaring example of hypocrisy.
You don't like my opinion and don't think I'm qualified to have those opinions and you think that my biases make my opinions unbelievable. I can live with that. Your opinions are often unrelated to facts or reality.
I'm not trying to get you to do anything. I'm simply telling you the truth about the guy you defend at every opportunity. I'm telling you the truth about the personality cult that you've associated yourself with.
At this point no one is expecting MAGA cult members to acknowledge that they are in a cult. For example, many Warren Jeff's cult members still don't accept that they are in a cult even though he's in prison for his rapey crimes and they're have been documentaries produced which examine their cult.
It is also expected that some people will be too embarrassed to admit that they will vote for the felon rapist who tried to overthrow the elected government in 2020. Those people definitely keep their preference for the incompetent liar who mismanaged a pandemic a secret.
Last sentence doesn't make sense. "Mismanaged a secret"?. What was the secret? LOL. Saybthe quiet part out loud.
I guess something the person with the terrible traits is still better than Biden. You think it makes Trump look bad but it makes Biden looks worse. As they consider a liar more able than a feeble well meaning old man with a poor memory.
Biden "looks" like a frail old grandpa so you tell this platform as often as you can that Biden has dementia and is frail and possibly not even capable of ADLs much less the duties of the presidency. That's cult behavior.
Trying to use projection and gas lighting is cult behavior.
"A desperate attempt to sway the vote" by telling people the truth. Only a cult member would try to say that repeating facts and truth in an election year is a desperate attempt to sway the vote. Are you trying to prove that you aren't a member of the Trump cult?
That's hyperbolic. I didn't say Biden was not capable of ADL. To make an opinion seem irrational. To assign negative traits on a person based on their belief or who they support. Repete . That's propaganda.
I don't think you have the authority to determine who is in a cult and who is "indoctrinated ".
And if you did, your opinion would not be applicable due to your extreem bias and aversion of a opinion other than your own.
You may think whatever you wish, doesn't make it so.
Trump supporters have been called worse, the defaming doesn't work. However if you try hard enough, you might get one to withdrawl their vote because they don't want to be seen as " indoctrinated, cult member, extremist, Nazis". The majority don't care and there is a growing number of voters that just keep their vote for Trump to themselves.
Personally I'm in the camp that some of his followers exhibit cult like behavior but fall short of calling them a cult. But the whole "Jesus is my savior and Trump is my president" movement after he lost the election is cringe at best and cult like at worse.
Who do you think has the authority to determine who is in a cult and who is "indoctrinated"? I don't think there's anyone.
Much of academia seems hesitant to call "Trumpism" (for lack of a better word) a cult. Many have pointed out some cult like behaviors, and one person calling himself a "cult expert" wrote a book about it.
I think the point is that Trump does indeed have a cult following, a sizable one at that, sizable enough to give him the nomination, that isn't attuned with reality, he also has people voting for him that's a vote for logical reasons such as conservative policies and that he isn't Biden. You can't lump all people voting for Trump as members of a cult.
I think at this point you can. The public has had plenty of opportunity to hear him speak in nasty and provocative streams of consciousness. No sane person wants to be anywhere near the guy or his literally insane ideas. I'll give people a pass for sheer ignorance the first time but it's 8 years later and people are still giving him money. His campaign collected $50,000,000 AFTER he was convicted. He's devestated the Republican party and the majority of them seem to be OK with that.
Biden "looks" like a frail old grandpa so you tell this platform as often as you can that Biden has dementia and is frail and possibly not even capable of ADLs much less the duties of the presidency. That's cult behavior.
Trying to use projection and gas lighting is cult behavior.
"A desperate attempt to sway the vote" by telling people the truth. Only a cult member would try to say that repeating facts and truth in an election year is a desperate attempt to sway the vote. Are you trying to prove that you aren't a member of the Trump cult?
And now we know that a couple of videos of Biden have been manipulated but, nevertheless, Fox gave to go ahead to air them.
Personally I'm in the camp that some of his followers exhibit cult like behavior but fall short of calling them a cult. But the whole "Jesus is my savior and Trump is my president" movement after he lost the election is cringe at best and cult like at worse.
Who do you think has the authority to determine who is in a cult and who is "indoctrinated"? I don't think there's anyone.
Much of academia seems hesitant to call "Trumpism" (for lack of a better word) a cult. Many have pointed out some cult like behaviors, and one person calling himself a "cult expert" wrote a book about it.
I do not think anyone has the authority either. However I would only consider someone's opinion who doesn't show blatant hostility and bias when making that accusation.
Like you. I will listen to your opinion as there is many post by you that are factual and non derogatory.
I'm not familiar with the Jesus is my savior and Trump is my president group.
I think at this point you can. The public has had plenty of opportunity to hear him speak in nasty and provocative streams of consciousness. No sane person wants to be anywhere near the guy or his literally insane ideas. I'll give people a pass for sheer ignorance the first time but it's 8 years later and people are still giving him money. His campaign collected $50,000,000 AFTER he was convicted. He's devestated the Republican party and the majority of them seem to be OK with that.
Perhaps people feel like the democrats are using the justice system in order to win an election?
True or not? Doesn't matter. People vote for what they see and believe. Emotions are a big factor. Fear as well. Most people understand the implication of using criminal justice against their political opponents. Some believe the charges are not worth the precedent it may have set or consequences.
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Crusades said:
Perhaps people feel like the democrats are using the justice system in order to win an election?
True or not? Doesn't matter. People vote for what they see and believe. Emotions are a big factor. Fear as well. Most people understand the implication of using criminal justice against their political opponents. Some believe the charges are not worth the precedent it may have set or consequences.
People feel like the democrats are using the justice system to win an election because the GOP candidate is a corrupt felon and liar. They've been telling their target audience that it's a weaponization of government that has Trump in trouble. That's a false narrative. The GOP is using the House of Representatives to try to undermine Biden's reputation and approval ratings.
That's correct. Propaganda works because people believe things that they hear or see repeated. Yes, propagandists often employ fear mongering in their spin and messaging. Yes, lots of people believe lots of things that Trump has claimed or said. Believing that the charges are all just politicalization of the justice system to get Donald Trump is just another example in a growing list of untrue things that Trump has uttered.
It does matter that so many millions of Americans believe things which simply are not true. It matters very much.
People feel like the democrats are using the justice system to win an election because the GOP candidate is a corrupt felon and liar. They've been telling their target audience that it's a weaponization of government that has Trump in trouble. That's a false narrative. The GOP is using the House of Representatives to try to undermine Biden's reputation and approval ratings.
That's correct. Propaganda works because people believe things that they hear or see repeated. Yes, propagandists often employ fear mongering in their spin and messaging. Yes, lots of people believe lots of things that Trump has claimed or said. Believing that the charges are all just politicalization of the justice system to get Donald Trump is just another example in a growing list of untrue things that Trump has uttered.
It does matter that so many millions of Americans believe things which simply are not true. It matters very much.
Fear mongering like suggesting Trump will be the next tyrannical leader who will refuse to give up power? Who will end the constitution? (Not possible to do either). That kind of fear mongering?
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Trump has a cult.
Cult members exhibit cult behavior in their personal and social media interactions. Chilly members identify themselves by their own words and attempts to gas light people on Trump's behalf.