I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
I think the point is that Trump does indeed have a cult following, a sizable one at that, sizable enough to give him the nomination, that isn't attuned with reality, he also has people voting for him that's a vote for logical reasons such as conservative policies and that he isn't Biden. You can't lump all people voting for Trump as members of a cult.
This has been said many times here, since 2016. Not to mention, it's common sense.
Some need to make themselves believe it to be comfortable with who they'll vote for.
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Tweety said:
I think the point is that Trump does indeed have a cult following, a sizable one at that, sizable enough to give him the nomination, that isn't attuned with reality, he also has people voting for him that's a vote for logical reasons such as conservative policies and that he isn't Biden. You can't lump all people voting for Trump as members of a cult.
No, but people who behave as cult members have earned the label.
I think the point is that Trump does indeed have a cult following, a sizable one at that, sizable enough to give him the nomination, that isn't attuned with reality, he also has people voting for him that's a vote for logical reasons such as conservative policies and that he isn't Biden. You can't lump all people voting for Trump as members of a cult.
Some people who do not particularly like Trump, his personality and even values, may choose to vote for him because they felt there life was better under Trump. My primary reason is because Biden looks like a frail old grandpa. Not a strong leader to the not so nice leaders of hostile countries. It's nice that Biden finally did something at the border after claiming thee wasn't a problem but his weak presentation has illegals laughing. Not a deterrent at all.
However some will use propaganda tactic of repetition and devalidation up to slander in a desperate attempt to sway the vote. Which is a poor strategy. There is the highest sense of desperation. Kinda like a try hard cult leader.
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Beerman said:
This has been said many times here, since 2016. Not to mention, it's common sense.
Some need to make themselves believe it to be comfortable with who they'll vote for.
Nah
I'm comfortable voting for the decent and competent guy and against the immoral, unethical and corrupt guy who will change our country into something different. I don't need to point out Trump's cult to feel good about voting for democracy and against Trumpism. However, well never help these millions of Americans overcome this indoctrination if we can't even correctly identify them as members of a cult.
That was a clever attempt to try to use my words against me, but Biden voters aren't creating any cognitive dissonance for themselves which must be eased. A vote for Biden is a vote for democratic principles. A vote for Biden is a vote for law and order. A vote for Biden is a vote for family values. A vote for Biden is a vote for NATO and acknowledgment of climate change. There's no felonies or fraud or defamation or attempts to overthrow my government to make feel feel uncomfortable about my Biden vote. One can't say the same for Trump.
Crusades said:
Which behavior? Voting for Trump?
Are you unfamiliar with the symptoms of indoctrination and cult mentality or are you just having trouble applying those elements to Trump's devoted fan base? Are you going to look it up?
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Crusades said:
Some people who do not particularly like Trump, his personality and even values, may choose to vote for him because they felt there life was better under Trump. My primary reason is because Biden looks like a frail old grandpa. Not a strong leader to the not so nice leaders of hostile countries. It's nice that Biden finally did something at the border after claiming thee wasn't a problem but his weak presentation has illegals laughing. Not a deterrent at all.
However some will use propaganda tactic of repetition and devalidation up to slander in a desperate attempt to sway the vote. Which is a poor strategy. There is the highest sense of desperation. Kinda like a try hard cult leader.
Biden "looks" like a frail old grandpa so you tell this platform as often as you can that Biden has dementia and is frail and possibly not even capable of ADLs much less the duties of the presidency. That's cult behavior.
Trying to use projection and gas lighting is cult behavior.
"A desperate attempt to sway the vote" by telling people the truth. Only a cult member would try to say that repeating facts and truth in an election year is a desperate attempt to sway the vote. Are you trying to prove that you aren't a member of the Trump cult?
I'm comfortable voting for the decent and competent guy and against the immoral, unethical and corrupt guy who will change our country into something different. I don't need to point out Trump's cult to feel good about voting for democracy and against Trumpism. However, well never help these millions of Americans overcome this indoctrination if we can't even correctly identify them as members of a cult.
That was a clever attempt to try to use my words against me, but Biden voters aren't creating any cognitive dissonance for themselves which must be eased. A vote for Biden is a vote for democratic principles. A vote for Biden is a vote for law and order. A vote for Biden is a vote for family values. A vote for Biden is a vote for NATO and acknowledgment of climate change. There's no felonies or fraud or defamation or attempts to overthrow my government to make feel feel uncomfortable about my Biden vote. One can't say the same for Trump.
Are you unfamiliar with the symptoms of indoctrination and cult mentality or are you just having trouble applying those elements to Trump's devoted fan base? Are you going to look it up?
I don't think you have the authority to determine who is in a cult and who is "indoctrinated ".
And if you did, your opinion would not be applicable due to your extreem bias and aversion of a opinion other than your own.
You may think whatever you wish, doesn't make it so.
Trump supporters have been called worse, the defaming doesn't work. However if you try hard enough, you might get one to withdrawl their vote because they don't want to be seen as " indoctrinated, cult member, extremist, Nazis". The majority don't care and there is a growing number of voters that just keep their vote for Trump to themselves.
Biden "looks" like a frail old grandpa so you tell this platform as often as you can that Biden has dementia and is frail and possibly not even capable of ADLs much less the duties of the presidency. That's cult behavior.
Trying to use projection and gas lighting is cult behavior.
"A desperate attempt to sway the vote" by telling people the truth. Only a cult member would try to say that repeating facts and truth in an election year is a desperate attempt to sway the vote. Are you trying to prove that you aren't a member of the Trump cult?
Interesting. Many democrats have also expressed concerns about Biden's cognition. I wonder if they are in a "cult" ?
Many Americans have concerns for what they see with their own eyes. You can called them cult members all you want. You can say 'do not believe your own eyes'. Ironically a standard method of a "cult".
I guess the "nazi , extremist" assult on Trump voters has finally been understood as ineffective. Now it's "cult".
Primary method of propaganda is repetition and defaming the othering those with a differing opinion. .....
He was agreeing with the idea that just because someone votes for Trump they aren't a cult member, but that the cult members have earned that label. An idea I agree with. The extreme MAGA supporters that believe he won the election and all his other lies exhibit cult-like behavior: following a leader that blatantly lies and has power over them. Look how many are rotting in prison because of him.
About life being better under Trump, it's certainly is something that people are buying into.
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But the economic numbers expose a far more complicated reality during Trump's time in the White House. His tax cuts never delivered the promised growth. His budget deficits surged and then stayed relatively high under Biden. His tariffs and trade deals never brought back all of the lost factory jobs.
He was agreeing with the idea that just because someone votes for Trump they aren't a cult member, but that the cult members have earned that label. An idea I agree with. The extreme MAGA supporters that believe he won the election and all his other lies exhibit cult-like behavior: following a leader that blatantly lies and has power over them. Look how many are rotting in prison because of him.
About life being better under Trump, it's certainly is something that people are buying into.
I know the member was superficially agreeing that not all Trump members are cultist. My querie was under which parameter?
What seoerates a Trump supporter from a "cult" Trump supporter? For some it appears supporting Trump is the singular factor.
The member has made numerous desparaging comments about Trump voters. It appears the qualifying standard of a "cult member" is simply supporting Trump or having a differing opinion in some cases.
I believe the member believes all people who support Trump are part of the "cult". An attempt to back track when faced with the ridiculousness of the idea.
I was trying to communication that Trump supporters have been called worse.
I'm unsure of the rotting in prison because of him? If they were tried and convicted on a court of law or pleaded guilty, their own actions got them there?
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Crusades said:
I don't think you have the authority to determine who is in a cult and who is "indoctrinated ".
And if you did, your opinion would not be applicable due to your extreem bias and aversion of a opinion other than your own.
You may think whatever you wish, doesn't make it so.
Trump supporters have been called worse, the defaming doesn't work. However if you try hard enough, you might get one to withdrawl their vote because they don't want to be seen as " indoctrinated, cult member, extremist, Nazis". The majority don't care and there is a growing number of voters that just keep their vote for Trump to themselves.
Oh well.
You don't like my opinion and don't think I'm qualified to have those opinions and you think that my biases make my opinions unbelievable. I can live with that. Your opinions are often unrelated to facts or reality.
I'm not trying to get you to do anything. I'm simply telling you the truth about the guy you defend at every opportunity. I'm telling you the truth about the personality cult that you've associated yourself with.
At this point no one is expecting MAGA cult members to acknowledge that they are in a cult. For example, many Warren Jeff's cult members still don't accept that they are in a cult even though he's in prison for his rapey crimes and they're have been documentaries produced which examine their cult.
It is also expected that some people will be too embarrassed to admit that they will vote for the felon rapist who tried to overthrow the elected government in 2020. Those people definitely keep their preference for the incompetent liar who mismanaged a pandemic a secret.
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Crusades said:
Interesting. Many democrats have also expressed concerns about Biden's cognition. I wonder if they are in a "cult" ?
Many Americans have concerns for what they see with their own eyes. You can called them cult members all you want. You can say 'do not believe your own eyes'. Ironically a standard method of a "cult".
I guess the "nazi , extremist" assult on Trump voters has finally been understood as ineffective. Now it's "cult".
Primary method of propaganda is repetition and defaming the othering those with a differing opinion. .....
Does your question mean that you still don't know what the signs of a cult would include?
Since I never suggested that anyone should "not believe their own eyes" you must be talking about Trump or his cult members. Interestingly, your words amount to another projection of a Trump's pathology into others. Trump did actually say something to that effect in 2018.
No. You misunderstand. The cult consolidates all kinds of angry people including Nazis, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists and anarchists.
No. You still don't seem to grasp that propaganda is rhetoric designed and sometimes wholly fabricated to fit a narrative that the propagandists want you to believe. It is effective as we see in the era of Trump who repeats lies that you believe. That propaganda is part of the indoctrination that has you believing that 010621 was no big deal and that there was real reason to believe that the 2020 election was stolen.
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This has been said many times here, since 2016. Not to mention, it's common sense.
Some need to make themselves believe it to be comfortable with who they'll vote for.