I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
"Mr. Trump's ability to consolidate the Republican base better than Mr. Biden has unified the base of his own party shows up starkly in the current thinking of 2020 voters. Mr. Trump is winning 97 percent of those who say they voted for him four years ago, and virtually none of his past supporters said they are casting a ballot for Mr. Biden. In contrast, Mr. Biden is winning only 83 percent of his 2020 voters, with 10 percent saying they now back Mr. Trump."
"Mr. Trump's ability to consolidate the Republican base better than Mr. Biden has unified the base of his own party shows up starkly in the current thinking of 2020 voters. Mr. Trump is winning 97 percent of those who say they voted for him four years ago, and virtually none of his past supporters said they are casting a ballot for Mr. Biden. In contrast, Mr. Biden is winning only 83 percent of his 2020 voters, with 10 percent saying they now back Mr. Trump."
I can't read the article but you quoted probably the gist of it.
What's interesting is that while Trump may be winning his base that is giving him the nomination he's not winning by landslides. He's winning decidedly but not always winning big, for example maybe he won 60% of Massachusetts, 69% of Minnesota, 78% of California, etc. So yes, he's consolidated his base but not all Republicans. Some of those Republicans are not going to vote for him in November. But I do suppose Republicans disdain for Biden will give Trump a huge advantage.
Biden clearly has the support of his base rank and file as evidenced by his victories yesterday. His main challenge, and I see it every day on social media remains Israel and Palestine. I haven't seen any latest statistics, but it seems to me liberals are quite sympathetic to Palestine and are pressuring Biden for a cease fire and to stop supporting Israel, despite the suffering Israel experienced when they were attacked, their brutal response is not setting well. Biden knows this as he received a lot of protest votes yesterday especially in areas like Michigan and cities with large Arab populations. Harris the other day called for a cease fire. He's caught between a rock and a hard place here as it's been America's long-standing policy to support Israel.
In the meantime Republicans support Israel but have been quiet about it, letting Biden take all the flack. Although I'm reading Trump recently ended his silence with a "you got to finish the problem" supporting the invasion Gaza and reiterated the invasion never would have happened if he were President.
I can't read the article but you quoted probably the gist of it.
What's interesting is that while Trump may be winning his base that is giving him the nomination he's not winning by landslides. He's winning decidedly but not always winning big, for example maybe he won 60% of Massachusetts, 69% of Minnesota, 78% of California, etc. So yes, he's consolidated his base but not all Republicans. Some of those Republicans are not going to vote for him in November. But I do suppose Republicans disdain for Biden will give Trump a huge advantage.
Biden clearly has the support of his base rank and file as evidenced by his victories yesterday. His main challenge, and I see it every day on social media remains Israel and Palestine. I haven't seen any latest statistics, but it seems to me liberals are quite sympathetic to Palestine and are pressuring Biden for a cease fire and to stop supporting Israel, despite the suffering Israel experienced when they were attacked, their brutal response is not setting well. Biden knows this as he received a lot of protest votes yesterday especially in areas like Michigan and cities with large Arab populations. Harris the other day called for a cease fire. He's caught between a rock and a hard place here as it's been America's long-standing policy to support Israel.
In the meantime Republicans support Israel but have been quiet about it, letting Biden take all the flack. Although I'm reading Trump recently ended his silence with a "you got to finish the problem" supporting the invasion Gaza and reiterated the invasion never would have happened if he were President.
Hard to say how many Republicans will not show up to vote for Trump. He wasn't our first choice for many of us (I voted for someone else yesterday) but I'll certainly vote for him in the general election.
I agree, Biden is in a tough spot regarding Israel/Palestine. However, I don't see the Palestine sympathizers voting Republican. Maybe that's why Republicans are getting any flack. Of note, even AOC was harassed on the issue while out and about in Brooklyn last weekend.
Hard to say how many Republicans will not show up to vote for Trump. He wasn't our first choice for many of us (I voted for someone else yesterday) but I'll certainly vote for him in the general election.
I agree, Biden is in a tough spot regarding Israel/Palestine. However, I don't see the Palestine sympathizers voting Republican. Maybe that's why Republicans are getting any flack. Of note, even AOC was harassed on the issue while out and about in Brooklyn last weekend.
Yep, it's a huge issue that Democrats have to answer to. Hecklers and protesters (as liberals tend to have in their ranks) are being very vocal about it.
It's hard to say who Haley supporters and people that didn't vote for Trump, or sat out the primaries, will go. I saw an interview from people in NC that said since Haley lost there they are voting for Biden. I do think that the overwhelming majority of Republicans are going to go for Trump in the end, but will that be enough to win the electoral college?
I will say this. This is the most unenthused I've ever seen people be about their chosen candidates, especially given such high stakes.
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The assumption here is that Haley's vote represents a combination of anti-Trump Republicans, centrist independents, and a handful of disgruntled Democrats. In other words, swing voters who will go red with Haley and probably blue if Trump is the nominee.
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Beerman said:
Let's take a poll.
Who here got vaccinated because Joe Biden was on TV encouraging them to do so?
Who here has any family or friends who took the vaccine because Joe Biden was on TV encouraging them to do so?
Who here knows of anyone at all in their life past or present who took the covid vaccine because Joe Biden was on TV encouraging them to do so?
Is that the only way that a POTUS might maximize the number of Americans who are vaccinated during a pandemic? That might explain why Trump's approached to pandemic mitigation and response was so ineffective, the focus was narrowly focused upon the public utterances of the POTUS.
We certainly know that Trump's efforts didn't include vaccination distribution logistics or planning. That approach was all talk and lots of that talk was covid misinformation. Trump was the largest source of covid misinformation in 2020.
Beerman said:
Sounds like you decided to get the vaccine because it was in your best interest. Didn't have much to do with Joe encouraging you. You would have got it anyway. Am I correct?
I received my first and second covid vaccination when Trump was in office. It was free.
Most people got vaccinated because they felt it was in both their self interest and in the best interests of their communities and country. Partisan zealots continue to spread nonsense about the vaccines.
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Tweety said:
Yep, it's a huge issue that Democrats have to answer to. Hecklers and protesters (as liberals tend to have in their ranks) are being very vocal about it.
It's hard to say who Haley supporters and people that didn't vote for Trump, or sat out the primaries, will go. I saw an interview from people in NC that said since Haley lost there they are voting for Biden. I do think that the overwhelming majority of Republicans are going to go for Trump in the end, but will that be enough to win the electoral college?
I will say this. This is the most unenthused I've ever seen people be about their chosen candidates, especially given such high stakes.
Yes. Both Biden and Trump must appeal to independent and moderate voters to win in November. One of them tried to overthrow the 2020 election, lies about that still, brags about ending Roe v Wade, and concealed top secret documents from the FBI. That same guy is liable for sexual abuse, financial fraud and defamation.
The other guy is reducing prescription drug prices, passed significant legislation to combat inflation and to invest in infrastructure and has strengthened our global alliances in turbulent times.
The other guy is reducing prescription drug prices, passed significant legislation to combat inflation and to invest in infrastructure and has strengthened our global alliances in turbulent times.
Yeah but but is Biden really about Democracy or does he really have a plot that is quite obvious that he's out to destroy America?
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We are already dying. We are dying from the nation-destroying treachery and policies of the Biden administration. We are dying as a nation because President Biden's policies are focused on killing our economy, destroying our energy industry, erasing our borders, inviting terrorists into our country, weakening our military, undermining our electoral system and destroying the principles upon which this nation was built.
.......These policies were never intended to succeed. They were only intended to kill jobs and the economy. A clear step toward America's demise.
interesting to me that you acknowledge that Biden got lots of people vaccinated and then you wonder how he did it. Coincidentally, I use to participate in the organization and execution of mass vaccination events in the Midwest. I'd say that it mostly distills down to attention to detail, good contingency planning and logistics. You have to have the people wanting vaccine in the same place as the temperature sensitive vaccine and at a time when someone can administer. This is a good time to reflect on the reality that Biden inherited a pandemic and a new vaccine but did not inherit a national plan for distribution or administration of the vaccine.
Are you asking tongue in cheek how Biden managed to get people vaccinated or do you really not remember? He promised 100 million shots in arms in the first 100 days and delivered that. There was quite a bit of discussion about how that was achieved, it seems.
I acknowledged millions were vaccinated while Biden was president. Not that "Biden got lots of people vaccinated." LOL...nice try
Ah yes. I forgot. 100 million shots in 100 days. You must have forgot we were already on pace to do that when he took office.
So, not only were the vaccines developed while Trump was in office, but there was also a plan for distribution AND it was being executed.
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Beerman said:
I acknowledged millions were vaccinated while Biden was president. Not that "Biden got lots of people vaccinated." LOL...nice try
Ah yes. I forgot. 100 million shots in 100 days. You must have forgot we were already on pace to do that when he took office.
So, not only were the vaccines developed while Trump was in office, but there was also a plan for distribution AND it was being executed.
No, there most definitely was not a Trump plan in place that would have vaccinated 100 million Americans in 100 days. When Biden was inaugurated the Trump federal vaccine distribution was behind schedule. The Trump goal was 20 million vaccinated Americans by end of 2020. Only 3 million received covid vaccination in 2020. Trump blamed the states for the slow rollout, remember? He left the logistics to the states and then criticized them for their efforts. Yes, there was a Trump plan that reflected his inept leadership.
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Beerman said:
IDK. I asked how Biden got millions vaccinated. This has been the only reply so far.
Except for the 100 million shots in a hundred day plan. But, we all remember that was already being executed under Trump.
It wasn't the only response you got, it's the only response you replied to. Trump was behind schedule for his vaccination plan by end of 2020. Logistics matter.
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Interesting tidbit from the NYT/Sienna poll.
"Mr. Trump's ability to consolidate the Republican base better than Mr. Biden has unified the base of his own party shows up starkly in the current thinking of 2020 voters. Mr. Trump is winning 97 percent of those who say they voted for him four years ago, and virtually none of his past supporters said they are casting a ballot for Mr. Biden. In contrast, Mr. Biden is winning only 83 percent of his 2020 voters, with 10 percent saying they now back Mr. Trump."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/02/us/politics/biden-trump-times-siena-poll.html