I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
It wasn't the only response you got, it's the only response you replied to. Trump was behind schedule for his vaccination plan by end of 2020. Logistics matter.
The EUA for the first vaccine was approved in the middle of Dec 2020. A month later, when Biden took office, an average of a million a day vaccines were being given. We were on pace with Biden's goal before he took the Oath.
Only the unconditional Trump haters would conclude that vaccines under Trump were behind schedule.
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Beerman said:
The EUA for the first vaccine was approved in the middle of Dec 2020. A month later, when Biden took office, an average of a million a day vaccines were being given. We were on pace with Biden's goal before he took the Oath.
Only the unconditional Trump haters would conclude that vaccines under Trump were behind schedule.
I provided a citation. Apparently noting Trump's incompetence or failures makes one a Trump hater. OK, it's relatively easy to have strong negative feelings about the man who lied about the pandemic, politicized the individual mitigation choices and tried to overthrow our democracy after he lost his election.
I don't expect you to recognize Trump's failures or the weaknesses in his distribution plan or the missed goals and broken promises. I'm still going to talk about them though, as people suffer from short term memory loss and begin to think that Trump might be a reasonable option because Biden is old.
Covid vaccination was FREE and remains so for most Americans, after reading medical science behind covid vaccination felt it my best interest due to medical hx. Sons also vaccinated.
Biden continues to get daily Covid updates, seen him pull out his breast pocket card with stats on it.
US country has had more deaths compared to worldwide totals, thankfully decreased rate past 2 years.
Got Bidens latest offer of free COVID tests too --which my son has used since works for a sports team.
Yes, Karen. We had an abysmal death rate compared to even 3rd world countries because Trump didn't have the moral courage to speak up and encourage people to get vaxxed. This isn't about how many people stepped up for the vax by Biden (millions did because it was made easy for us) but Trump couldn't care less about needless death and disruption of our hospitals and the people who worked in them.
Yes, Karen. We had an abysmal death rate compared to even 3rd world countries because Trump didn't have the moral courage to speak up and encourage people to get vaxxed. This isn't about how many people stepped up for the vax by Biden (millions did because it was made easy for us) but Trump couldn't care less about needless death and disruption of our hospitals and the people who worked in them.
I think you forgot the context of the discussion. It was asserted the Biden was responsible for getting the masses vaccinated.
No one here seems to no anyone who was vaccinated because Biden encouraged them to.
As for Trump, you are incorrect about him not speaking up. He said this in March 2021, before most were even eligible to get it. I doubt that made much difference, anyway. And, Joe seems to agree.
"I would recommend it and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly," Trump told "Fox News Primetime.""
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"I discussed it with my team and they say the thing that has more impact than anything Trump would say to the MAGA folks is what the local doctors, what the local preachers, what the local people in the community say," Biden said at the White House, referencing Trump's campaign slogan, "Make America Great Again."
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I think you forgot the context of the discussion. It was asserted the Biden was responsible for getting the masses vaccinated.
No one here seems to no anyone who was vaccinated because Biden encouraged them to.
As for Trump, you are incorrect about him not speaking up. He said this in March 2021, before most were even eligible to get it. I doubt that made much difference, anyway. And, Joe seems to agree.
"I would recommend it and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly," Trump told "Fox News Primetime.""
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"I discussed it with my team and they say the thing that has more impact than anything Trump would say to the MAGA folks is what the local doctors, what the local preachers, what the local people in the community say," Biden said at the White House, referencing Trump's campaign slogan, "Make America Great Again."
The context is that Trump might have said some appropriate things during the pandemic, but in 2020 he was the largest source of covid misinformation. In 2020 Trump politicized individual mitigation choices with agitated and divisive language. That's why, after vaccines became widely available to the general public, Republicans were more likely to suffer and die from covid than Democrats.
Question Was political party affiliation a risk factor associated with excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic in Florida and Ohio?
Findings In this cohort study evaluating 538 159 deaths in individuals aged 25 years and older in Florida and Ohio between March 2020 and December 2021, excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before. These differences were concentrated in counties with lower vaccination rates, and primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio.
Meaning The differences in excess mortality by political party affiliation after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults suggest that differences in vaccination attitudes and reported uptake between Republican and Democratic voters may have been a factor in the severity and trajectory of the pandemic in the US.
What a coincidence, eh?
The context is that Biden didn't interfere in the CDC and NIH messaging about covid, he didn't have a political officer reviewing and changing the scientific recommendations for the public. Biden didn't lie to the people about covid or suggest that they should fight against mitigation. Biden simply executed a national plan for testing, treatment and prevention. Trump, famously, botched American covid testing and then decided that testing might hurt him politically because of the exploding cases in the pandemic that he said was under control and would magically go away. Do you remember the testing fiasco and how Trump tried to blame it on Obama in March of 2020?
A series of missteps at the nation's top public health agency caused a critical shortage of reliable laboratory tests for the coronavirus, hobbling the federal response as the pandemic spread across the country like wildfire, an Associated Press review found.
President Donald Trump assured Americans early this month that the COVID-19 test developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is "perfect" and that "anyone who wants a test can get a test.” But more than two months after the first U.S. case of the new disease was confirmed, many people still cannot get tested.
In the critical month of February, as the virus began taking root in the U.S. population, CDC data shows government labs processed 352 COVID-19 tests — an average of only a dozen per day.
"You cannot fight a fire blindfolded,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, head of the World Health Organization, said at a recent briefing. "We cannot stop this pandemic if we don't know who is infected.”
There's simply no pretending that Trump's pandemic response wasn't abhorrent.
The context is that Trump might have said some appropriate things during the pandemic, but in 2020 he was the largest source of covid misinformation. In 2020 Trump politicized individual mitigation choices with agitated and divisive language. That's why, after vaccines became widely available to the general public, Republicans were more likely to suffer and die from covid than Democrats.
The context is that Biden didn't interfere in the CDC and NIH messaging about covid, he didn't have a political officer reviewing and changing the scientific recommendations for the public. Biden didn't lie to the people about covid or suggest that they should fight against mitigation. Biden simply executed a national plan for testing, treatment and prevention. Trump, famously, botched American covid testing and then decided that testing might hurt him politically because of the exploding cases in the pandemic that he said was under control and would magically go away. Do you remember the testing fiasco and how Trump tried to blame it on Obama in March of 2020?
I can't believe how long it's taken to indict this creep. I was still living in NY during the 2006 and 2011 investigations which were disappointing. You have to wonder how he got re-elected but it is proudly represented by Tony Soprano:) This time I am convinced it will take and look forward to seeing the couple in handcuffs.
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Nope. This line of discussion started with me questioning your assertion that "Biden got millions vaccinated".
On these threads, when folks have difficulty backing up their claims, the subject is often changed to Trump.
It's a fact that Biden implemented a pretty comprehensive plan that got lots of people vaccinated. I backed up that reality with reporting and then there's the actual data.
You want to push against that fact and suggest that Biden inherited a grand plan from Trump. I don't think he did. If you think you can prove that Trump met his December 2020 vaccination goal and outlined a sound distribution plan, go for it.
Trump messed up our pandemic response before there was even a pandemic. People should remember that dangerous incompetence.
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Wow...so much enthusiasm here for the state of the union address..LOL
OK.
I watched the SOTU address and the republican response from the Alabama Senator while I did my morning chores. . It was a good, optimistic SOTU that provided some clear contrast between his agenda and that of his predecessor and current political opponent. A couple of Republicans couldn't help but to heckle. The president didn't look or sound demented or crazy. That's also on contrast with his political opponent who often looks and sounds confused and crazy.
The GOP response was a breathless, almost tearful (at times) presentation of an alternate reality where Republicans respect women's bodily autonomy, the House didn't just try to pass a life at conception law that would made IVF rare and fraught with liability, and crime and economic metrics are in a rising trajectory.
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The EUA for the first vaccine was approved in the middle of Dec 2020. A month later, when Biden took office, an average of a million a day vaccines were being given. We were on pace with Biden's goal before he took the Oath.
Only the unconditional Trump haters would conclude that vaccines under Trump were behind schedule.