I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
Doesn't he just follow marching orders from Putin and the Federalist Society.? Trump isn't capable of writing a plan for a term paper . He just hires 'the best" to do stuff for him. He has that undergrad degree in business and he's not even to make it through life without 6 bankruptcies.
Why is having diplomacy with hostile world leaders a bad thing?
It should be noted that there was no war with Ukraine and Russia nor was there hostile conflict between Isreal and Hamas terrorist during Trump's term. Trump had initiated the Abraham Accords during his presidency. A fist of its kind.
Sure Trump has many unsavory characteristics but the world seemed more peacful than during the Biden/Harris administration.
I know I know. Never Trump even if he initiated some peace in the middle east.
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Crusades said:
Why is having diplomacy with hostile world leaders a bad thing?
It should be noted that there was no war with Ukraine and Russia nor was there hostile conflict between Isreal and Hamas terrorist during Trump's term. Trump had initiated the Abraham Accords during his presidency. A fist of its kind.
Sure Trump has many unsavory characteristics but the world seemed more peacful than during the Biden/Harris administration.
I know I know. Never Trump even if he initiated some peace in the middle east.
Sucking up to and being manipulated by the likes of Putin isn't an example of diplomacy. Trump is a mentally ill and weak man who is too easily triggered and influenced by words of others. That reality is so obvious in this campaign that it's interesting that so many people are unable to recognize the signs of weakness in a public figure like Trump. I mean, the fellow is so weak he just backed out of a 60 minutes interview because they were going to fact check him and he said he wanted an apology for a previous perceived slight.
"The world seemed more peaceful" is exactly what the propaganda wants you to feel and believe. It all seems so simple doesn't it? Just forget about the wild transactional incompetence and the attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the theft of secret documents, the sexual abuse and felony convictions. Only Trump can save us, right?
Sucking up to and being manipulated by the likes of Putin isn't an example of diplomacy. Trump is a mentally ill and weak man who is too easily triggered and influenced by words of others. That reality is so obvious in this campaign that it's interesting that so many people are unable to recognize the signs of weakness in a public figure like Trump. I mean, the fellow is so weak he just backed out of a 60 minutes interview because they were going to fact check him and he said he wanted an apology for a previous perceived slight.
"The world seemed more peaceful" is exactly what the propaganda wants you to feel and believe. It all seems so simple doesn't it? Just forget about the wild transactional incompetence and the attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the theft of secret documents, the sexual abuse and felony convictions. Only Trump can save us, right?
Propaganda? What major conflicts were there during Trump's presidency?
It's kind of hard to cry "propaganda " when millions of Americans know and remembered the 4 yrs of Trump that saw no war in Ukraine, Israel, Iran wasn't attacking and terrorist groups were not active. Oh and immigration was in check and Americans were not losing their lively hoods, homes and could afford food and gas. Sim0le right?
I believe you are using on of your favorite deflects of "gas light".
Trump sent MORE troops to Afghanistan, ordered missile strikes on Syria in 2017 and 2018 & abandoned our Kurdish allies to slaughter.
He substantially increased the airstrikes, leading to a 330 % increase in civilian deaths. He bragged about dropping of the "Mother of All Bombs" (MOAB), the largest non-nuclear bomb in the US arsenal, on Afghanistan in 2017.
In Iraq and Syria alone, Trump's drone strikes killed an estimated 13,400 civilians.
Trump negotiated to give Afghanistan to the Taliban, & freed 5,000 Taliban terrorists, who in turn over took the Afghani government as the US withdrew.
Polls certainly won't change the devotion or loyalty that some people have for Trump. I believe that the national polls will continue to show a decreasing percentage of the population who are doing to accept Trump's disqualifying flaws as they are increasingly exposed to his associative looseness and word salad verbalizations.
Trump sent MORE troops to Afghanistan, ordered missile strikes on Syria in 2017 and 2018 & abandoned our Kurdish allies to slaughter.
He substantially increased the airstrikes, leading to a 330 % increase in civilian deaths. He bragged about dropping of the "Mother of All Bombs" (MOAB), the largest non-nuclear bomb in the US arsenal, on Afghanistan in 2017.
In Iraq and Syria alone, Trump's drone strikes killed an estimated 13,400 civilians.
Trump negotiated to give Afghanistan to the Taliban, & freed 5,000 Taliban terrorists, who in turn over took the Afghani government as the US withdrew.
Doesn't sound all that the peaceful to me.
I should have credited John Fugelsang for most of this.
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Crusades said:
Propaganda? What major conflicts were there during Trump's presidency?
It's kind of hard to cry "propaganda " when millions of Americans know and remembered the 4 yrs of Trump that saw no war in Ukraine, Israel, Iran wasn't attacking and terrorist groups were not active. Oh and immigration was in check and Americans were not losing their lively hoods, homes and could afford food and gas. Sim0le right?
I believe you are using on of your favorite deflects of "gas light".
Crusades said:
Propaganda? What major conflicts were there during Trump's presidency?
It's kind of hard to cry "propaganda " when millions of Americans know and remembered the 4 yrs of Trump that saw no war in Ukraine, Israel, Iran wasn't attacking and terrorist groups were not active. Oh and immigration was in check and Americans were not losing their lively hoods, homes and could afford food and gas. Sim0le right?
I believe you are using on of your favorite deflects of "gas light".
It's interesting that we're not supposed to consider what Trump's foreign policy efforts would result in. For instance, we're supposed to believe that Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump was president when Trump actually weakened NATO which made attacking Ukraine more likely. We're supposed to forget that as the right wing extremists in Iran and Israel lob armaments at one another that Trump collapsed the Iran agreement and put the country on its current trajectory to develop a nuclear weapon.
It's pretty laughable that you want us to believe that Americans weren't losing jobs or homes under Trump and they could afford gas. It's almost like you just can't quite remember that Trump displayed a unique and disqualifying lack of any leadership skills during a national health emergency. How many millions of people lost jobs and couldn't pay rent or mortgages while Trump was busily trying to figure out how to convince everyone that covid was all under control and going to magically go away by Summer? Wasn't that pandemic mismanagement and chaos a big part of the reason that gas was cheap? Were you worried about toilet paper or were you some of the people who couldn't get baby formula in 2020?
Looking back at Trump's failed presidency through rose colored glasses is not constructive.
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Crusades said:
Oh no problem. I'll follow your example.
Walz isn't fit for the vice president because he tells lies. Just as you repetitively say about Trump. It doesn't do much to conceal your extreem bias
If I thought there was a chance of a meanful conversation, I could discuss Vance's comments with you. However from experience it will lead to ad hominiem and accusatons of "gaslighting and projection" instead of an actual discussion. My evidence of this is in your own words to the quote I'm responding to "laughable" and "gaslighting/projection ". Both in which I could say you just did. So no thanks
Instead you could have offered what it is you believe Harris plans are that was revealed in her 60 minute interview. Or what you believe her plans are in general? You chose to use ad hominiem instead.
Doesn't seem likely any meaningful conversation is possible with you.
LOL
Trump isn't fit for office because he is mentally ill, because he is incompetent, because he is morally and ethically challenged while also being a pathological liar.
Yes. I know, Vance's remarks are indefensible, the best strategy is to just make an excuse and blame others for the inability to defend the statements and lies.
That's correct, you are incapable of engaging in meaningful conversation with me, you should stop trying.
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Why is having diplomacy with hostile world leaders a bad thing?
It should be noted that there was no war with Ukraine and Russia nor was there hostile conflict between Isreal and Hamas terrorist during Trump's term. Trump had initiated the Abraham Accords during his presidency. A fist of its kind.
Sure Trump has many unsavory characteristics but the world seemed more peacful than during the Biden/Harris administration.
I know I know. Never Trump even if he initiated some peace in the middle east.