The Controversy: Mandatory Flu Vaccines

Many hospitals are moving towards creating mandatory influenza vaccination policies as a condition of employment. Such mandates are causing surefire responses on both sides of the fence. What is the push behind the movement, and what is causing the pushback?

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First, let me just go over some of the symptoms of the flu, and then we will get down to business on the controversy surrounding the push to create mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers:

  • Sudden onset fever
  • Headache
  • Chills
  • Myalgia
  • Dry cough
  • Sore throat
  • Stuffy nose
  • Loss of appetite
  • Limb or joint pain
  • Difficulty sleeping
  • Diarrhea or upset stomach

I can't think of anyone who wants any of these symptoms, or to come down with the flu, can you?

Influenza vaccination research has clearly documented the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine (Google it - you will find a plethora of information...however, I will list some links at the end of this article for your information). However, even though there is sufficient evidence to prove the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine, vaccination rates among healthcare workers are pitifully low. In 2013, only 55% of nurses in the frontlines were vaccinated.

Organizations such as The Joint Commission, the American Nurses Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the Centers for Disease Control, Healthy People 2020, etc., etc., have stated their position on recommending the flu vaccine for healthcare workers in order to decrease the risk of exposure and reduce deaths. Due to this recommendation, many healthcare facilities are now creating mandatory flu vaccine policies as a condition of employment.

Employers who create mandatory policies will have exemptions, of course. Exemptions are made for medical and religious exceptions. For places that do not have a mandatory flu vaccine, they may "strongly recommend" the vaccination and may have a declination form for employees to submit if they refuse the vaccine. Additionally, some employers will enforce refusers to wear a mask during flu season while they are at work in order to protect the patients and the employee.

What is the purpose behind the push toward flu vaccines?

Evidence has shown that there are more than 36,000 deaths in the US each year related to influenza, and more than 200,000 hospitalizations. Influenza is the 6th leading cause of death. Healthcare workers are the leading cause of influenza outbreaks in the healthcare system. up to 50% of people who are infected by the flu virus do not fill ill for several days and can spread the virus to people at risk of complications and death from the flu. Additionally, evidence shows vaccination decreases mortality by 40%, decreases the spread of nosocomial infections by 43%, and decreases absenteeism by 20-30%.

Additionally, there is the ethics to consider. As healthcare workers, we have all taken an oath to "do no harm". As a nurse caring for patients who are not in their most physically healthy state, do we take the vaccination in order to prevent spreading the flu to our vulnerable patients, in order to "do no harm"? We must consider this when we make our decision to take or refuse the vaccination.

What hospitals have created a mandatory flu vaccine policy?

I have the names of a few hospitals, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. This is based on a ListServe survey of hospitals and these are the responses received:

  • Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (Philadelphia, PA) - since 2009
  • Children's Mercy Hospitals and Clinics (Kansas City, MO)
  • Children's Colorado (Aurora, CO)
  • Children's Hospital of the King's Daughters (Norfolk, VA)
  • Children's Medical Center Dallas (Dallas, TX) - since 2012
  • Riley Children's (Indianapolis, IN) - since 2012
  • East Tennessee Children's (Knoxville, TX) - since 2013
  • Boston Children's (Boston, MA)
  • Sharp Mary Birch Hospital for Women and Newborns (San Diego, CA) - since 2013
  • Roger Williams Medical Center (Providence, RI)
  • Brookwood Medical Center (Birmingham, AL)
  • Johns Hopkins (all hospitals/clinics) (Baltimore, MD)
  • Driscoll Children's Hospital (Corpus Christi, TX)
  • Spohn Health System (Corpus Christi / San Antonio, TX)
  • All Connecticut Hospitals

What are some reasons that people refuse the flu vaccine?

Refusal may be largely due to misconceptions related to the vaccine. Fears that the immune system will cause them to get the flu, beliefs that hygiene and better nutrition are more helpful than the vaccine, fear of needles, beliefs that the vaccine does not work, and fear of side effects. Others believe that they have a constitutional right to refuse the vaccine and that mandatory policies are violating these rights.

Common concerns and myths about the flu vaccination

(taken from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health outline of flu vaccine talking points for managers)

The flu shot will give me the flu

The flu shot does not give people the flu. It uses inactivated ("dead") virus. People may still catch a cold or other virus that the vaccine is not designed match.

I don't believe the flu vaccine actually works

Studies have shown that flu vaccination prevents flu in 70% to 90% of healthy adults younger than 65 years old.

I had the vaccination last year

You need a new vaccine every year - the virus changes over time.

What about possible adverse reactions

Serious adverse reactions are very rare. They are explained on the CDC's Vaccine Information Statement, which is distributed when the vaccine is administered.

Local short-term reactions - such soreness at the vaccination site, slight fever, achy feeling - may occur but usually do not last long. Over the counter medicines are helpful. Even short-term reactions are much less bothersome than catching the flu and feeling very sick for days.

I'm not in a high-risk group

Your patients are at-risk, and possibly some friends and family members. You can be infected with the flu virus but not feel ill - and can still transmit flu to at-risk patients.

The flu vaccine made every year does not match the circulating flu strain

Inactivated influenza vaccine is effective in preventing transmission and reducing complications of the flu. In years when there is a close match between the vaccine and circulating virus strains, the vaccine prevents illness among approximately 70%--90% of healthy adults under 65 years of age. Vaccinating healthy adults also has been proven to lead to decreased work absenteeism and use of health-care resources, including use of antibiotics. Strong protection is also expected when the vaccine is not a close match with circulating strains, with 50%--77% effectiveness in these instances. In addition, effectiveness against influenza-related hospitalization for healthy adults from inactivated vaccine is estimated at 90%.

Knowledge is Power

All healthcare facilities will be facing the choice of creating a mandatory influenza vaccination in the near future, if they have not already. In order to make an informed decision on the topic, we must have information. Knowledge is power. Before you make a blanket statement on pros or cons, have the information you need, know the research, and make an educated decision.

Please respond to this article by answering the following questions:

  1. Do you take the flu vaccine yearly? If you do not, what is the reason you do not participate (if you don't mind answering this question)?
  2. Does your employer have a mandatory influenza vaccination policy as a condition of employment? If yes, where do you work?
  3. What concerns do you have about the flu vaccine?
  4. Do you know if anyone who has been released from their job because they did not get the flu vaccine?

References

American Association of Family Practitioners. (2011). AAFP supports mandatory flu vaccinations for healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: AAFP Supports Mandatory Flu Vaccinations for Health Care Personnel

ATrain. (2014). To accept or refuse the flu vaccine. Retrieved from: ZZZ_133_Influenza: Module 7

CDC. (2014). Vaccination: Who should do it, who should not and who should take precautions. Retrieved from: Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Influenza Action Coalition. (2015). Influenza vaccination honor roll. Retrieved from: Honor Roll: Mandatory Influenza Vaccination Policies for Healthcare Personnel

Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. (2014). Talking points for managers. Retrieved from: http://tinyurl.com/p6nbg2u

National adult and influenza immunization summit. (2015). Vaccinating healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: Vaccinating Healthcare Personnel - National Adult and Influenza Immunization Summit

NursingTimes. (2014). Why do health workers decline flu vaccination? Retrieved from: http://www.nursingtimes.net/Journals/2014/11/28/y/k/x/031214-Why-do-health-workers-decline-flu-vaccination.pdf

TJC. (2012). R3 Report: Requirement, rationale, reference. Retrieved from: http://www.jointcommission.org/assets/1/18/R3_Report_Issue_3_5_18_12_final.pdf

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Courtesy of "Quackwatch":

Oscillococcinum, a 200C product "for the relief of colds and flu-like symptoms," involves "dilutions" that are even more far-fetched. Its "active ingredient" is prepared by incubating small amounts of a freshly killed duck's liver and heart for 40 days. The resultant solution is then filtered, freeze-dried, rehydrated, repeatedly diluted, and impregnated into sugar granules. If a single molecule of the duck's heart or liver were to survive the dilution, its concentration would be 1 in 100200. This huge number, which has 400 zeroes, is vastly greater than the estimated number of molecules in the universe (about one googol, which is a 1 followed by 100 zeroes).

Specializes in Telemetry.

@rusti - I have a question for you. If you are taking these mega doses of (apparently miraculous) Vitamin C daily, why are you getting all these "colds" in the first place? :confused:

I think if it occurred countless times, year after year, you might have something with Jelly Belly's :) This isn't a single occurrence and, it's hard for me to imagine I can placebo myself out of any cold let alone numbers of them and for years straight.

It's not hard for me to imagine at all. I understand what the Placebo Effect is, how it works....and why YOU believe you have stumbled upon a cure for a viral infection that works within mere minutes of ingestion.

If I were to convince myself that Jelly Belly candies were a curative for the common cold, I could not possibly convince people who do NOT believe in the curative powers of sugar. If it worked on me, year after year, it would clearly be an effective placebo for me. It would not, however, have any impact on the annals of science where treatments for the common cold would be discussed.

Once again....the plural of anecdote is not data.

So what you all are alleging is, I never had a cold attack, just imagined ones (because if they were a real cold I couldn't placebo them away, no one could) and, I imagined myself out of the imagined ones:blink::D You have no idea how funny this is to me right now. Also, while sitting at the computer, I suddenly imagined flu symptoms occurring, head ache, myalgia, sneezing, sniffling, fever, chills and head down on the keyboard, and I then imagined it away with Vit C, ACV and honey too, having to lie down for that one, it was just too much for my imagination :)

Yes, I have no doubt, because I know vitamin C cannot "CURE" a viral infection in minutes. Even most individuals who espouse homeopathic medicines know that. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of microbiology, virology, and the immune system knows this.

@rusti - I have a question for you. If you are taking these mega doses of (apparently miraculous) Vitamin C daily, why are you getting all these "colds" in the first place? :confused:

This last winter I actually had no "placeboed" cold symptoms :) From this I can say, immunity can be strengthened and weakened, and only that taking Vit C 1000 daily helps. I don't consider 1000 mg of Vit C as "mega" btw. I think from your question you're trying to say, if Vitamin C were so great, why would I have any cold attacks? I don't know, I've always been pretty susceptible. Why do you all need flu vaccines every year?

I will say, placebo and magical things seem to occur a lot in medicine. Cancer just "appears", all kinds of diseases, new and old, seem to have no rhyme or reason. Anytime I'd ask "How did I get this"? I never got an answer. Things "just happen". What I began looking into was what goes in the food supply, what's in processed foods, what's in medicines and vaccines, and what's in water itself. And, I conclude, we are inundated with toxic substances that do cause all kinds of conditions, cancers and disease. Health is a complex subject obviously, but, vitamin deficiency I believe is another major problem. Foods are depleted, toxic substances deplete the body, all real reasons why people get sick. There is no magic bullet, not even Vitamin C! One can only do their best to eliminate the bad and restore what's needed, imho anyway. :)

To concerned lady Re: "I don't know about molasses, regarding the flu, but, I personally DO like a tablespoon of organic blackstrap molasses from time to time, because there's a heck of a lot of MINERALS (especially Calcium) in the concentrated food item called blackstrap molasses.

And, I'm working on reversing gray hair, by the use of the molasses (as recommended by Paavo Airola, Naturopathic physician, in his book "How To Get Well"), back in the 1970's."

I agree! I don't take molasses or baking soda for the flu:) but, I heard so much about blackstrap molasses, we now have it mixed in with regular organic sugar and have it that way daily. Actually, can't take it any other way :/ but, I know it's amazing. I don't have that much gray hair (for my age) so, I'm happy with that too.

CL: I'll be happy to provide those studies, there were ones involving rats as well as dogs, with varied results. Whether they were sponsored by a pharmaceutical company, lol, I cannot recall, but certainly that's easy enough to ascertain. I am responding via my cell phone right now, and will wait until I'm back at my desk top to dig up the evidence you seek. maybe Boston can find it faster :-) In any event, it's really not a controversial thing: humans are more likely to benefit from placebo effect long term simply because we talk each other into it, as well evidenced on this forum alone. Animals, on the other hand, while they initially benefit from placebos because they do expect them to work based on prior experience of having success with the same drug, don't continue to receive placebo benefits.... They can't " drink the Kool Aid".

I'm curious as to why you are even questioning this, the placebo effect on animals?

Dear RNsRWe,

You wrote: ".... Animals, on the other hand, while they initially benefit from placebos because they do expect them to work based on prior experience of having success with the same drug, don't continue to receive placebo benefits.... They can't " drink the Kool Aid".

I'm curious as to why you are even questioning this, the placebo effect on animals?

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My reply: How about animals who haven't been on any drugs, so they don't have any "prior experience of having success with the same drug...."?

Some of THESE animals have good results from some homeopathic remedies---so how could this possibly be the result of the placebo effect?

This is why I question the placebo effect on non-human animals.

By the way, even though I'm not a vegetarian, I prefer that testing be done on willing subjects (human), not on non-human animals.

My vegetarian friend once told me, "If you're not going to eat it, don't kill it."

Concerned lady

Specializes in critical care.
So what you all are alleging is, I never had a cold attack, just imagined ones (because if they were a real cold I couldn't placebo them away, no one could) and, I imagined myself out of the imagined ones:blink::D You have no idea how funny this is to me right now. Also, while sitting at the computer, I suddenly imagined flu symptoms occurring, head ache, myalgia, sneezing, sniffling, fever, chills and head down on the keyboard, and I then imagined it away with Vit C, ACV and honey too, having to lie down for that one, it was just too much for my imagination :)

Well, I'm not alleging it. I'm outright stating it. This is literally impossible to occur in reality.

This September, large pharmaceutical companies will be sponsoring a pro vaccine concert in NYC, at Central Park, pretending to be just an anti-poverty concert.

Prior to the pro-vax concert, the Global Citizen folks will be bribing music loving young people, into writing letters to foreign governments, pushing those governments to vaccinate everyone against everything, and the payoff (reward for writing those letters) for these young, ignorant folks, is free concert tickets.

Then, the sponsors will say, "See? Scientific endorsement of vaccinations for everything....Buy our products, puhleeze."

Courtesy of "Quackwatch":

Oscillococcinum, a 200C product "for the relief of colds and flu-like symptoms," involves "dilutions" that are even more far-fetched. Its "active ingredient" is prepared by incubating small amounts of a freshly killed duck's liver and heart for 40 days. The resultant solution is then filtered, freeze-dried, rehydrated, repeatedly diluted, and impregnated into sugar granules. If a single molecule of the duck's heart or liver were to survive the dilution, its concentration would be 1 in 100200. This huge number, which has 400 zeroes, is vastly greater than the estimated number of molecules in the universe (about one googol, which is a 1 followed by 100 zeroes).

Oh man, you beat me to it! This OTC stuff has been "outed" for a long time.

The product is made from a combination of wild duck heart and duck liver. It sells for about the price of a flu shot and is a $15 million-a-year business in the U.S., but is much more popular in Europe.* The active ingredients listed on the packaging of oscillo are written in Latin and mean extract of the liver and heart of a Barbary duck: Anas Barbariae Hepatis et Cordis Extractum. It is diluted one part in a hundred 200 times, which means there are no duck molecules left in the final product. Bob Park calculates that the last duck molecule is vanquished after about 12 dilutions. If the entire universe consisted of nothing but oscillo, there would be no molecules of the stuff left after about 40C.* Or something like that. You get the picture. One duck could produce enough oscillo to supply everyone on earth and all their offspring for millions of years with a lifetime supply. Please, no quack jokes, but now you understand why I put "active drug" in scare quotes

Oscillococcinum - The Skeptic's Dictionary

Specializes in Critical Care.
Actually, I'm aware that if I keep myself healthy, I am less of a threat to anyone else too. The disagreement is, how one does that. I have kept myself healthy from flu and colds for years now, without rowing anywhere, but with Vitamin C, my own "cold protocol" (apple cider vinegar, honey and cinnamon) at the very first sign, and an organic diet as said. You and any other hypothetical vulnerable person should thank me! I would go a little further and wish to heavens you all would learn how amazing a few basic vitamins (like C and omega 3s) would go a long way to protect the "vulnerable". Myself being susceptible to respiratory problems all my life had to find out for myself. Sorry, I don't buy into your "science" as stated above.

I think you're confusing an antibody mediated immune response and a cell-mediated immune response in terms of what sort of threat you might pose to others.

When someone lacks the ability to present an antibody-mediated immune response (which is what a flu vaccine teaches your body to do), it relies on it's back-up response, which is a cell mediated response. Adequate levels of vitamins and other substances can certainly help improve a cell mediated immune response and reduce the symptoms you might experience, they don't reduce your ability to transmit the pathogen to others in the same way an antibody response does. So by choosing not to utilize an available way to acquire an antibody mediated response, you are actually choosing to increase risk to others.

I'm also not sure if you're understanding the difference between a cold and a flu.