Many hospitals are moving towards creating mandatory influenza vaccination policies as a condition of employment. Such mandates are causing surefire responses on both sides of the fence. What is the push behind the movement, and what is causing the pushback?
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First, let me just go over some of the symptoms of the flu, and then we will get down to business on the controversy surrounding the push to create mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers:
I can't think of anyone who wants any of these symptoms, or to come down with the flu, can you?
Influenza vaccination research has clearly documented the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine (Google it - you will find a plethora of information...however, I will list some links at the end of this article for your information). However, even though there is sufficient evidence to prove the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine, vaccination rates among healthcare workers are pitifully low. In 2013, only 55% of nurses in the frontlines were vaccinated.
Organizations such as The Joint Commission, the American Nurses Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the Centers for Disease Control, Healthy People 2020, etc., etc., have stated their position on recommending the flu vaccine for healthcare workers in order to decrease the risk of exposure and reduce deaths. Due to this recommendation, many healthcare facilities are now creating mandatory flu vaccine policies as a condition of employment.
Employers who create mandatory policies will have exemptions, of course. Exemptions are made for medical and religious exceptions. For places that do not have a mandatory flu vaccine, they may "strongly recommend" the vaccination and may have a declination form for employees to submit if they refuse the vaccine. Additionally, some employers will enforce refusers to wear a mask during flu season while they are at work in order to protect the patients and the employee.
Evidence has shown that there are more than 36,000 deaths in the US each year related to influenza, and more than 200,000 hospitalizations. Influenza is the 6th leading cause of death. Healthcare workers are the leading cause of influenza outbreaks in the healthcare system. up to 50% of people who are infected by the flu virus do not fill ill for several days and can spread the virus to people at risk of complications and death from the flu. Additionally, evidence shows vaccination decreases mortality by 40%, decreases the spread of nosocomial infections by 43%, and decreases absenteeism by 20-30%.
Additionally, there is the ethics to consider. As healthcare workers, we have all taken an oath to "do no harm". As a nurse caring for patients who are not in their most physically healthy state, do we take the vaccination in order to prevent spreading the flu to our vulnerable patients, in order to "do no harm"? We must consider this when we make our decision to take or refuse the vaccination.
I have the names of a few hospitals, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. This is based on a ListServe survey of hospitals and these are the responses received:
Refusal may be largely due to misconceptions related to the vaccine. Fears that the immune system will cause them to get the flu, beliefs that hygiene and better nutrition are more helpful than the vaccine, fear of needles, beliefs that the vaccine does not work, and fear of side effects. Others believe that they have a constitutional right to refuse the vaccine and that mandatory policies are violating these rights.
(taken from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health outline of flu vaccine talking points for managers)
The flu shot does not give people the flu. It uses inactivated ("dead") virus. People may still catch a cold or other virus that the vaccine is not designed match.
Studies have shown that flu vaccination prevents flu in 70% to 90% of healthy adults younger than 65 years old.
You need a new vaccine every year - the virus changes over time.
Serious adverse reactions are very rare. They are explained on the CDC's Vaccine Information Statement, which is distributed when the vaccine is administered.
Local short-term reactions - such soreness at the vaccination site, slight fever, achy feeling - may occur but usually do not last long. Over the counter medicines are helpful. Even short-term reactions are much less bothersome than catching the flu and feeling very sick for days.
Your patients are at-risk, and possibly some friends and family members. You can be infected with the flu virus but not feel ill - and can still transmit flu to at-risk patients.
Inactivated influenza vaccine is effective in preventing transmission and reducing complications of the flu. In years when there is a close match between the vaccine and circulating virus strains, the vaccine prevents illness among approximately 70%--90% of healthy adults under 65 years of age. Vaccinating healthy adults also has been proven to lead to decreased work absenteeism and use of health-care resources, including use of antibiotics. Strong protection is also expected when the vaccine is not a close match with circulating strains, with 50%--77% effectiveness in these instances. In addition, effectiveness against influenza-related hospitalization for healthy adults from inactivated vaccine is estimated at 90%.
All healthcare facilities will be facing the choice of creating a mandatory influenza vaccination in the near future, if they have not already. In order to make an informed decision on the topic, we must have information. Knowledge is power. Before you make a blanket statement on pros or cons, have the information you need, know the research, and make an educated decision.
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References
American Association of Family Practitioners. (2011). AAFP supports mandatory flu vaccinations for healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: AAFP Supports Mandatory Flu Vaccinations for Health Care Personnel
ATrain. (2014). To accept or refuse the flu vaccine. Retrieved from: ZZZ_133_Influenza: Module 7
CDC. (2014). Vaccination: Who should do it, who should not and who should take precautions. Retrieved from: Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Influenza Action Coalition. (2015). Influenza vaccination honor roll. Retrieved from: Honor Roll: Mandatory Influenza Vaccination Policies for Healthcare Personnel
Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. (2014). Talking points for managers. Retrieved from: http://tinyurl.com/p6nbg2u
National adult and influenza immunization summit. (2015). Vaccinating healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: Vaccinating Healthcare Personnel - National Adult and Influenza Immunization Summit
NursingTimes. (2014). Why do health workers decline flu vaccination? Retrieved from: http://www.nursingtimes.net/Journals/2014/11/28/y/k/x/031214-Why-do-health-workers-decline-flu-vaccination.pdf
TJC. (2012). R3 Report: Requirement, rationale, reference. Retrieved from: http://www.jointcommission.org/assets/1/18/R3_Report_Issue_3_5_18_12_final.pdf
I myself take vitamin C, but curing any viral condition within minutes is IMPOSSIBLE.We have here a very clear case of placebo effect. Which is fine, but cannot be called a cure.
Bingo. Because in order for this "protocol" to work, the subject must BELIEVE it will work. Someone who thinks it is nonsense will find no curative effect whatsoever. And THAT would be the difference between self-delusion ("I want it to be so, therefore it IS so") and a scientific methodology, in which the outcome would be consistent with or without the subject believing it has magical properties.
I suppose the answer to someone following the same protocol and having NO benefit from it would be to just take more of it....and maybe add some garlic. Or something. Can't possibly be that it does not actually cure anything.
Dear Elkpark,
You wrote:
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You asked: "What "problems"??
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My answer is: whatever problems each of us is honest enough to admit that any of us has.
Sincerely, Concerned Lady
A viral infection CURED in 7-9 minutes from first onset of symptoms. This is the best claim of this entire thread: Vitamin C, apple cider vinegar, honey and cinnamon....in other words, a MUFFIN is the cure to the common cold, nearly INSTANTLY upon ingestion. Amazing.People can make themselves believe anything; self-delusion (aka 'placebo effect') is a common occurrence. It doesn't make it a valid course of treatment any reasonable person should ever recommend to another person, however.
Just recently I had been feeling a little 'off', like I might be coming down with something. That evening I ate about a half a pound of Jelly Belly Jelly Beans (my favorite!) and later that night, had no signs of illness whatsoever. I was cured. I have named it the Jelly Belly Anti-Cold Prevention.
I should make millions. Or JB will...
I think if it occurred countless times, year after year, you might have something with Jelly Belly's :) This isn't a single occurrence and, it's hard for me to imagine I can placebo myself out of any cold let alone numbers of them and for years straight.
I think if it occurred countless times, year after year, you might have something with Jelly Belly's :) This isn't a single occurrence and, it's hard for me to imagine I can placebo myself out of any cold let alone numbers of them and for years straight.
Of course you can a)believe you had a cold and b)believe you are cured EVERY time within minutes, even though people educated about viruses know there is no treatment which can CURE a virus within minutes (vs. symptom alleviation).
It's called placebo and has been a very well documented phenomenon. No surprises here. Even vitamin C manufacturers don't make this claim because they know it cannot be substantiated.
It is absolutely possibleIt's called placebo effect. It's effective in clinical studies. Placebo has actually been proven more effective than placebo in a clinical study. Placebo has been demonstrated to have a dose effect in a clinical study. Placebo invasive interventions has been shown to be more effective than placebo pills in clinical study.
It exists. It works. But most often, it is inferior to other intervention.
Source, please. lol
Source, please. lol
This about sums it up:
Although albuterol, but not the two placebo interventions, improved FEV1 in these patients with asthma, albuterol provided no incremental benefit with respect to the self-reported outcomes. Placebo effects can be clinically meaningful and can rival the effects of active medication in patients with asthma. However, from a clinical-management and research-design perspective, patient self-reports can be unreliable.
Wechsler ME, Kelley JM, Boyd IOE, Dutile S, Marigowda G, Kirsch I, Israel E, Kaptchuk TJ. Active or placebo albuterol, sham acupuncture or no treatment in asthma. NEJM 2011, 365: 119-126.
Kaptchuk TJ. Placebo controls, exorcisms, and the devil. Lancet 2009; 374:1234-5.
Kaptchuk TJ, Kelley JM, Conboy LA, Davis RB, Kerr CE, Jacobson EE, Kirsch I, Schyner RN,Nam BY, Nguyen LT, Park M, Rivers AL, McMorifice C, Kokkotou E, Drossman DA, Goldman P,Lembo AJ. Components of the placebo effect: a randomized controlled trial in irritable bowel syndrome. BMJ 2008; 336: 998-1003. PMCID: PMC2364862.
Kong J, Gollub R, Polich G, Kirsch I, LaViolette P, Vangel M, Rosen B, Kaptchuk TJ. An fMRI study on the neural mechanisms of hyperalgesic nocebo effect. J Neurosci 2008; 28: 13354-62. PMCID 2742363
Kaptchuk TJ, Friedlander E, Kelley JM, Sanchez MN, Kokkotou E, Singer JP, Kowalczykowski M, Miller FG, Kirsch I, Lembo AJ. Placebos without deception: a randomized controlled trial in irritable bowel syndrome. PLoS One 2010; 5: e15591. PMCID PMC3008733.
My colds last 7- 9 minutes not days with my "cold protocol" (except for one in ten years), and even the flu was stopped within an hour.
If that's true, why don't you share that information...get it published in medical journals. If I had a cure for an illness, I would want to share it with others so they don't suffer. Esp. influenza, which can be lethal in vulnerable patients.
If you're so confident in your cures, you should have no problem making sure it stands up to scrutiny.
You did :) from the moment I begin the "protocol" it takes minutes. Btw, I know what a cold is, and I'm also certain when I start the protocol, that it's not just a sneeze, sniffle or allergy (though, it would help too if it were allergy related). The only trick is to catch it as soon as possible. If you read up on Vitamin C, apple cider vinegar, honey and cinnamon, they are all natural anti-virals, and they all build your immune system. I began them only by chance to see if they help, and, they do :)
rusti, in the presence of infection, it takes the body a few days to mount a response to a pathogen. It is physiologically impossible to stop an infection in its tracks with Vit. C, apple cider vinegar, and whatever witches brews you drink.
I really don't know why you're here. This is a website for nurses. With the exception of a few outliers, you are not going to find any support for your pseudoscientific dreck.
Of course you can a)believe you had a cold and b)believe you are cured EVERY time within minutes, even though people educated about viruses know there is no treatment which can CURE a virus within minutes (vs. symptom alleviation).It's called placebo and has been a very well documented phenomenon. No surprises here. Even vitamin C manufacturers don't make this claim because they know it cannot be substantiated.
So what you all are alleging is, I never had a cold attack, just imagined ones (because if they were a real cold I couldn't placebo them away, no one could) and, I imagined myself out of the imagined ones:blink: You have no idea how funny this is to me right now. Also, while sitting at the computer, I suddenly imagined flu symptoms occurring, head ache, myalgia, sneezing, sniffling, fever, chills and head down on the keyboard, and I then imagined it away with Vit C, ACV and honey too, having to lie down for that one, it was just too much for my imagination :)
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Hi Ixchel,
No, I wasn't referring to your comments (I was partially referring to the 'why listen to those "morons" ' post), and I agree with you, that anger is totally justified, when anyone dies, from a preventable or treatable health problem.
Yes, I agree with you, that it is sad and anger producing, when ANYONE dies this way, either from an asthma attack, and/or, from an adverse reaction to a vaccine, &/or from mal-practice, etc.
I'm so sorry that the epi pen, plus CPR didn't save that young person.
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Look up Buteyko breathing methods, because Buteyko breathing methods have helped, and are helping, many asthmatics to be able to stop (& even prevent) asthma attacks. These breathing methods have even helped those with other breathing problems that weren't asthma (including VCD/Vocal Cord Dysfunction/Laryngospasm/Paradoxical Vocal Fold Motion, etc.).
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Sincerely, Concerned Lady