I am so mad and tired of this. A student I know, let's call her Jan, has been cheating the whole time. I caught Jan back when we were doing prerequisites, I thought Jan would never get in, but here they are! Another student recently told me she caught Jan cheating, and was about to turn her in, but couldn't get the facts straight and didn't want to look a fool infront of the instructors if she couldn't prove it. Jan even recently admitted to me that the only reason she passed another class is because she cheated. Now to top it off she is going around bragging about her straight As and how hard she has worked! In addition, she brown-noses and schmoozes, and has secured an intern positon via her buddies, while eveyone else let the progrm director place them. I'm wondering if I'm the sucker and the chump here. I've no doubt she's going to get into the post graduate clinical program, they take the top grading applicants! How can this possibly be fair?
I know exactly what you mean.I have to deal with cheaters all day. There is one girl in my class who brags about her grades constantly and it makes me sick.Our class is the last to do the test and she gets the test questions from friends in other classes so when we get it she already knows what's coming and she feels so smart about herself.One of our instructors said not to wory about people like her because they usually fail the Nclex.So i'm just trying to do my best right now and not letting people like her get to me.
I was just coming here to vent on my own post about cheaters, but I'll just bump this reply since it's fairly recent. We've got plenty of Jan's! And the instructors don't seem to care, when these people talk and whisper and give each other the answers during our daily quizzes that are worth 5% of our grades. And today I just saw a group of 5 people get real cozy in auditorium seating during an exam in one of the prerequisite courses at the main campus. (Mind you, when they DO show up for class, there's always seats between them - what guys do you know like to cozy up to each other in theatre style seating?) They are in the BA program and I am in ASN so I don't know who they are, but I sat behind them and watched them look at each others' papers multiple times. I knew what they were doing, because before the exam they would discuss, then switch seats around, and discuss some more and switch seats (putting the "smart" ones in the middle) I can't believe the instructor didn't know why they were in the very back row of the auditorium cuddling together when they don't do that on a regular day. HEY! Hope you can figure out how to cheat on the NCLEX, smart guys!
I understand that they may not pass the NCLEX immediately, but eventually they'll put enough effort into a review course that they will make it. And by then they've got all the suckup points for being such fine students, and will probably zoom off on their little career paths. it just ticks me off that they do about 10% of the work and get better grades than honest people.
I understand that they may not pass the NCLEX immediately, but eventually they'll put enough effort into a review course that they will make it. And by then they've got all the suckup points for being such fine students, and will probably zoom off on their little career paths. it just ticks me off that they do about 10% of the work and get better grades than honest people.
I know! ANd not only that but they get good positions by shmoozing up to whoever they can. This the instructors know, and even encourage to a degree. For instance, when preceptoring,we were supposed to be assigned our preceptor, and we were told specifically on several occasions not to seek out a preceptor. However, if a nurse requests to precept a certain student, the instructors will honor that. So Jan cozied up to a friend of a friend that worked in a very advantageous position and convinced her to request her. Jan is not the only one, several students are paired with friends in GOOD spots...everyone else is doing latenights in nursing homes. Jan will probably get hired to the unit she precepted on, as is the pattern. She'll end up charge because she's better at bossing people around than she is a patient care. She'll be in administration before too long because she's better behind a desk organizing banquets. She'll have multiple degrees because her grades will ensure grants and acceptance to programs. She will also cut me off in traffic so she can get to the corner one carlegnth ahead of me, take the last parking spot in the lot, and get the last cup of coffee right before the cafe closes. She will probably take up the remaining space in the bomb shelter and I will have to wait outside hoping for the best. I feel like people like me don't fit in around here.
I had a friend that was an avid cheater. I'm a believer that you can never truly get ahead from doing wrong. Consequently, every time she took two steps forward, she would go backwards three. What I'm saying is that cheaters never win in the long-run. They get accustomed to cheating and never really tap into their full potential. All it does is cripple them in their field of study. I had a teacher back in high school that always used to say, "Take note of the ambitious, determined people in your class...if you aren't one, chances are you will be working for one someday."
do they sit in the back or something. i guess the instructor doesnt walk around. how do you know they are cheating. you see her or she tells you or both. i mean cheatin in prereqs okay not too risky but nursing school. they can kick her out. thats bad
i can't believe i actually read this. :icon_roll what makes cheating more okay in prereqs than in nursing school? if someone can't hack it in the prereqs on their own merit they should not be in nursing school to begin with. i for one wish there were closed-circuit cameras hovering over every student's desk watching their every move during an exam. if you've worked your tail off to do your best on an exam and don't have a need for cheating, examining under these conditions should not even bother you.
she will also cut me off in traffic so she can get to the corner one carlegnth ahead of me, take the last parking spot in the lot, and get the last cup of coffee right before the cafe closes
sounds to me like she's going to be fat jan in the long run. by the way, i really hate this jan and all the jans of the world like her. people like this are what will define the nursing profession on a whole for some patients. we really should do what we can to clean up and get the trash out. what makes me really mad about these jans is that may very well have taken up the space of a student that was denied admission that really deserved to be there. we've lost a better nurse in the profession because of these mongers.
I don't agree with everyone telling you to say nothing. Her grades are not your grades, true- but you *are* ranked against her grades.
And if she's been getting away with cheating this far, I'm not convinced that it it guaranteed to catch up to her at some point. She's savvy enough to not only be sneaky but make connections with people who will help her along. Even though she's cheating to get As, who knows- maybe she's learning enough to pass the NCLEX.
Well, I am an instructor, but I remember this feeeling all too well. I had biology in a huge lecture hall with 300 students. The first test, I thought the student assigned to the seat next to me was cheating off my paper. He kept looking over that way. I voiced my concerns to the instructor and was ignored. When we got our scantrons back, we made the exact same grade; then I knew.
The next test, I got my revenge. We had a test copy we could write on, then the scantron. I wrote all my "answers" to the questions on the paper copy of the test in very large letters, making sure it was easy to read. The student thought the whole time that he had it made, easily copying my "answers," but what he didn't know was that I had developed my own code, lol. If the real answer was A, I put B on the paper copy. If it was B, I put C, and so on. I just had to leave time to ensure I could fill in the scantron with the true answers. He was pretty mad to find out that I scored a 98%, while he scored a 2%. I was able to show the instructor that time what I did, and he was thrown out. Never saw him again.
Not everyone gets caught, but sometimes they do, and it's pretty sweet when it happens. I would recommend writing on your semester evals that cheating is suspected. The instructor should at least hand out a test with questions in different orders (so the same questions for all, but in different orders, making it harder to cheat) and carefully watch the students.
The next test, I got my revenge. We had a test copy we could write on, then the scantron. I wrote all my "answers" to the questions on the paper copy of the test in very large letters, making sure it was easy to read. The student thought the whole time that he had it made, easily copying my "answers," but what he didn't know was that I had developed my own code, lol. If the real answer was A, I put B on the paper copy. If it was B, I put C, and so on. I just had to leave time to ensure I could fill in the scantron with the true answers. He was pretty mad to find out that I scored a 98%, while he scored a 2%. I was able to show the instructor that time what I did, and he was thrown out. Never saw him again.
You deserve an award, this is awesome ... I'll have to remember this tactic :) That begs the question: Assuming 100 questions on the test, since you got 2% shy of 100% and he got 2%, does that mean you technically gave him 2 right answers in the process?
I feel like she is going to make a mistake that could kill somebody because of her shortcuts. I have been in groups with her, I know she does not have much to offer academically. She makes up for it by being a busy body, jumping on every commitee and leading non-class related stuff, like yearbook and fundraising stuff, The instructors think she is this great achieving woman. If they only knew...
Hmmm...As long as I am not cheating, it is not my problem. Nursing school is hard enough, do not take up additional stress. I do not endorse cheating, however, I have more important things to do than to observe or listen to a person's cheating ways. Concentrate on you, you are the one who will determine your destiny.
That begs the question: Assuming 100 questions on the test, since you got 2% shy of 100% and he got 2%, does that mean you technically gave him 2 right answers in the process?
Yes, although it was accidental. I didn't want to give him any!
... I'll have to remember this tactic :) That begs the question: Assuming 100 questions on the test, since you got 2% shy of 100% and he got 2%, does that mean you technically gave him 2 right answers in the process?
tigress_8207, ASN, BSN
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I know exactly what you mean.I have to deal with cheaters all day. There is one girl in my class who brags about her grades constantly and it makes me sick.Our class is the last to do the test and she gets the test questions from friends in other classes so when we get it she already knows what's coming and she feels so smart about herself.One of our instructors said not to wory about people like her because they usually fail the Nclex.So i'm just trying to do my best right now and not letting people like her get to me.