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I am a Male RN with about 8 years of work experience in the ER, Prison, Acute PTSD/TBI @ the VA. I came from another Industry (Aviation/Airline), after 9/11 retrained into Nursing with the thought of doing something that "Matters" instead of making a corporation another pile of $$$$. After 8 years this has been my Observation of the current state of affairs within Nursing.

1) I have never been so poorly treated within a professional career as I have been with nursing, Managers MD's and Patients all use you as a human punching bag (I can tolerate some of this from a sick PT but not my peers and above). Unprofessionalism often rules and vengeful remarks and treatment are the norms..ie... I have heard the following from RN's,MD,managers..."shes a stupid ***** (MD), you need to find another line of work (MBA manager to new grad), "you need to pass those meds faster , whats wrong with you, cant hack it" (Charge RN).

2) Call offs and low pay...Name any other profession where you have to take hard earned leave or rotate to a totally different unit and are expected to perform (Board of nursing should demand changes to this its unsafe). BSN starting at 17 to 19 a hr nationwide avg...really...MSN with 5 years unless specially trained 60K...for real...(Bank of America pays a avg of 70 k to 100k for mid level MBA's)

I retired from USAirways in 2003, there were troubles galore with the company..but I was paid well, had exc healthcare...WAS TREATED AS A PROFESSIONAL...WHICH I WAS AND STILL AM.

Nursing as a profession.......only if you join the service as my wife did (CDR USN ret) ....to a hospital your a expenditure that they work like a dog, then throw away.

Its a sad state only getting worse as the economy is slow and Obama care will reshape the industry in pay and quality of care.

Good By Nursing.....it was a experience of a life ...time to do other things.

You sound angry GrnTea. All that negative energy!! Breathe and let others do the same. We all can't be running in high gear at all times ready to join in the next battle. Some of us are not built that way but appreciate those of you who are.

Not angry, just tired of the whine (I think I mentioned that :) ) and trying to whip up some positive action! Come on, young'uns! We need you to pick up the torch!

:)

Specializes in Critical Care.
With regards to pay CMC health system here in CLT was paying 19.00hr for RN ADN grad, +50cents a HR 19.50 for BSN ....I worked at Gaston Comm Hosp along side a MSN with 2 years making 26.00hr (2007). The nationwide average is flawed as Calif/North East pay rates are quite high. No one commented on getting pulled or having to take leave for low pt count...that is a norm for this industry.....its outrageous .......as for me...I plan on devoting time in some fashion to Wounded Warriors ...I have seen way too many kids get sub standard care at the VA.

I'm an ADN and I'm making 29.20/hr including weekend and nights differential. I'm very happy with that. I wanted the weekends and night shift so that I can focus on my studies during the day. Please don't give up. You are making a difference in your patients' lives.

I'm a new grad BSN in Texas and was offered around 26/hr by a couple LTC facilities. I would expect a larger hospital to be at least 30. I also have peers who I graduated with making 35-40/hr in southern California. These positions are not easy to come by though. I absolutely agree that nurses should be treated better overall. Interesting post!

As an Occupational Therapist, with a Master's, who's worked in hospitals for the last 10 years, I can say that it is the hospital culture that leads its people.

Right now is a terrible time to be in healthcare in general; not because there isn't demand. Not because there aren't jobs. But because of the uncertainty in the industry and the painful, Solomon-type decisions that hospital/health systems are having to make. And that anxiety is trickling down to the employees in various ways.

If the hospital "suits" lead the staff with an open, honest and encouraging type of guidance, it shows. If the "suits" lead by hiding behind numbers, making decisions without explanations, and allowing the low level managers to take the brunt of the anger, then the hospital culture is poison.

My point is that I'm moving into nursing from OT for a reason. Rehab has its own set of problems right now, insurance-oversight being a big one. But nursing is a good career, and has a lot of potential. Having an RN after your name opens many, many doors. And the experience gained is more than nursing school can ever convey.

I'VE been thinking this very same thing for a while now. everything is the nurse's fault. EVERYTHING.

ex: a patient gets a pressure sore........the nurses did it!! nevermind that the therapist left the patient in the wheelchair for half of the day......respiratory leaves her sitting straight upright in bed ....the cna's cant be found

Specializes in 7 Years ED, 6 Years TBI/PTSD unit VA.

Hay GrnTea....I wasn't *itching...I was relating my observation of 8 years as a RN. I am a ATP (Airline Transport Pilot), FAA inspector, Farmer (did my own ag work crop dusting), and RN...so yes, Ive reinvented myself several times. I belonged to ALPA and the IAM, they capitulated on every contract but you never get 100% what you want. I was paid well, worked TO THE LETTER OF THE CONTRACT. As my first post stated I will do something else...it sure wont be for a Hospital...may or may not involve Nursing. If you want a retirement, Professional Standing, Motivated peers, great pay JOIN THR MILITARY...any branch...or Federal service...do 20 years and hit 60 retirement around 2000 a month ...30 years @55 about 2700 a month. I know many Nurses who have SLAVED for a hospital, Billed out millions with their service , and receive a *hit lunch as a retirement...are you for real.

Hate to say it....Unions are the only answer I can see...if you are waiting for the hospital admin to help your SOL...(they have to make Bonus via cutting your pay)...remember we have a tight fiscal quarter...every one has to give.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
With regards to pay CMC health system here in CLT was paying 19.00hr for RN ADN grad, +50cents a HR 19.50 for BSN ....I worked at Gaston Comm Hosp along side a MSN with 2 years making 26.00hr (2007).

*** Thye MSN doing the exact same job as an RN with an ADN should gte paid the same, ajusted for experience. The BSN or MSN doesn't bring any more income into the hospital than the ADN does.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
As for staffing variability and getting called off, it's the same for Physicians; low census=less pay.

*** Being called off is unacceptable. When I went looking for a new job I decided I simply wasn't going to tolerate being called off anymore. I found a job where I never get called off. Even if there are hardly any patients in the hospital I get to work and am paid, unless I choose to go home or stay home.

I had to work in a diffrent state to find such a job. The reason it is acceptable to be laid off for 4 hours each shift in nursing is because nurses tolerate it. I simply refuse to tolerate it anymore. I think none of us should.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
that is way too low for a bsn

*** The implacation being that it's not too low for an ADN?

Specializes in Hem/Onc/BMT.

"Sorry state of nursing," eh?

Am I the only one who feel offended by this trashing of a profession that I cherish very much? I can accept criticism, but what I object is generalization. I am sorry that OP had such a horrible experience, but one should know better than to make a sweeping generalization based on a subjective experience.

Unit cultures vary widely. I've seen the bad ones and good ones. It may seem like there are unhappy nurses everywhere especially here on AN. But of course! We all come here and vent! But in reality, plenty nurses are happy, work hard, and bring home a fat paycheck. As for the pay, yes, the starting rate is generally low. However, with experience and in different settings, nurses can make quite a lot with overtime, regardless of education level.

People like to criticize the culture of "women profession." Sure, there are gossips and cattiness due to excessive estrogen. But the flip side is that nurses are tremendously caring and protective of each other. We inquire about each other's family and kids. We cry and laugh together. We celebrate and hold potluck for each and every occasion. I wouldn't trade the warmth I receive from my co-workers for all the money and "respect" in a cut-throat male-dominant profession.

As for the complaint about how badly nurses are treated, I think it all depends how much you're willing to put up with and whether or not you can seek out better opportunities. Do you all seriously believe that all nursing instructors treat their student like children, and all nurse managers use and abuse their staff? I am very sorry for those who are stuck being treated that way, but there are better places out there. And there are other occupations where workers are truly abused. Feeling sorry for ourselves is a luxury, in my opinion.

And to LaRN above,

I'VE been thinking this very same thing for a while now. everything is the nurse's fault. EVERYTHING.

ex: a patient gets a pressure sore........the nurses did it!! nevermind that the therapist left the patient in the wheelchair for half of the day......respiratory leaves her sitting straight upright in bed ....the cna's cant be found

Yes, it seems like everyone blames the nurse when things go wrong. That's because many things are really the nurses' responsibility. There are occasions where we get unfairly blamed for things out of our control, but your example is not it. If your patient develops pressure sore, it is your fault because you were not vigilant about turning them.

Specializes in Emergency, Med-Surg, Progressive Care.
I am a ATP (Airline Transport Pilot), FAA inspector, Farmer (did my own ag work crop dusting), and RN

I'm wrapping up my commercial license and about to start on CFI so that I will never have to work full-time as an RN. I can live on 0.5 FTE RN pay and benefits, and the CFI money will just be icing on the cake. I think I'd lose my mind working full-time as a nurse.

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