Solve the retrogression NOW or NEVER. ACT NOW or let retrogression continue for ever.

maxpittboy · Jun 6, 2007

OK Now I've figured out why Suzanne seems to be anti-foreign nurse because she is American born nurse. After reading all her posts, I had a weird feeling why she is trying to discourage our hopes to be able to work in the US. Suzanne, you do know now how we(immigrant nurses) feel unless you are the one yourself. We are living day by day since the beginning of retrogression and this is just one part of the whole process for us to be able to stay here. You do not know what it takes even though you may have worked with tons of foreign nurses and years or experience in nursing profession. You know the laws and so do we but we need our hopes to move on as you do not. We think in positive way even if it is not really making any sense in a lot of cases but you may simply say that that bill is not going to become law etc. I know it is real but there are a lot of cases that people went through all those impossible obstacles in the system what we can call miracles.

Foreign nurses just become nurse because they want GC? Wrong and right. My friend herself has become a nurse because she wants to get a GC but also she has become a top nurse at her hospital. She can't be giving better cares to her patients then what she is doing right now. You should even be grateful that it has given motivations to potential candidates to become full grown nurses that has taken care of the shortage. Of course you denied that US is not short of nurses. That is the biggest joke I've heard so far this year.

People become nurse because they want GC. Right and so what? Doctors become doctors because they want money. Do you think all those med students are spending their time in med school because they care so much about people? Get real. Ask yourself again like what you asked, see from the other side of the picture.

I really appreciate what you are doing for the whole nursing community but also you need some passions toward some less fortunate people. You are against CIR currently debating in congress and you are accusing it as amnesty so I know where you are coming from before I move on.

Just two cents of my thought and what I want to tell other foreign nurses is that, just keep staying alive and do not back off.

d00dz · Jun 6, 2007

@Mcse

Imo you certainly need a time off off this thread. Your posts come across as rude and sarcastic and only serve to fan the flames. We certainly need none of that when discussing an already touchy subject.

@Maxpittboy

I would suggest you go back and read Suzanne's posts in other threads before you come in and bash her. She has repeatedly helped foreign nurses and is definitely not 'anti-foreign' as you put it. You owe her an apology for she only possesses opinions that serve USA nursing's best interests, which I myself agree with. And yeah, I'm one of those nurses also caught in the retrogression.

rn/writer, RN · Jun 6, 2007

@Maxpittboy
I would suggest you go back and read Suzanne's posts in other threads before you come in and bash her. She has repeatedly helped foreign nurses and is definitely not 'anti-foreign' as you put it. You owe her an apology for she only possesses opinions that serve USA nursing's best interests, which I myself agree with. And yeah, I'm one of those nurses also caught in the retrogression.

Besides this, she spends many hours each week (unpaid) trying to help people sort fact from fiction. If she comes across as negative, it's only because she tells the truth to folks who sometimes don't want to hear it.

Who is the more friendly and reliable person? Someone who tells you what you want to hear, points you in directions that aren't going to get you anywhere, gives you false hope and sets you up to do things that won't really change your situation. Or someone who admittedly bursts a few bubbles (before you spent all kinds of time and money chasing after them) and tries to help you find and stay on the correct path.

Suzanne isn't trying to step on your dreams, but time and time again, she has seen people lied to, given false hope, taken advantage of, and crushed by information that was well-intentioned but wrong or outright deceptive. She has done the homework and the research and stays current on the laws and the proposed changes. She has also become all too familiar with agencies and businesses who purport to be helping foreign nurses come to the US when their primary goal is lining their pockets with the hard earned cash of the hopefuls.

Please, take her advice seriously. There are few people in the world better equipped to make sense of this confusing situation.

suzanne4, RN · Jun 6, 2007

The country that I'm referring to is xx . Not U.S. Pls read my post again and also read pinoy_guy post ( he's referring to fake nurse he found in xx , he's not referring to U.S either ).
xx ( Name start wit P ).

Actually it is not a fake nurse that he is speaking about. We are seeing this all of the time with people going into nursing for the sole reason of getting a green card. Nothing more than that. And they will not last long in the profession. That is what we do not like.

suzanne4, RN · Jun 6, 2007

OK Now I've figured out why Suzanne seems to be anti-foreign nurse because she is American born nurse. After reading all her posts, I had a weird feeling why she is trying to discourage our hopes to be able to work in the US. Suzanne, you do know now how we(immigrant nurses) feel unless you are the one yourself. We are living day by day since the beginning of retrogression and this is just one part of the whole process for us to be able to stay here. You do not know what it takes even though you may have worked with tons of foreign nurses and years or experience in nursing profession. You know the laws and so do we but we need our hopes to move on as you do not. We think in positive way even if it is not really making any sense in a lot of cases but you may simply say that that bill is not going to become law etc. I know it is real but there are a lot of cases that people went through all those impossible obstacles in the system what we can call miracles.
Foreign nurses just become nurse because they want GC? Wrong and right. My friend herself has become a nurse because she wants to get a GC but also she has become a top nurse at her hospital. She can't be giving better cares to her patients then what she is doing right now. You should even be grateful that it has given motivations to potential candidates to become full grown nurses that has taken care of the shortage. Of course you denied that US is not short of nurses. That is the biggest joke I've heard so far this year.
People become nurse because they want GC. Right and so what? Doctors become doctors because they want money. Do you think all those med students are spending their time in med school because they care so much about people? Get real. Ask yourself again like what you asked, see from the other side of the picture.
I really appreciate what you are doing for the whole nursing community but also you need some passions toward some less fortunate people. You are against CIR currently debating in congress and you are accusing it as amnesty so I know where you are coming from before I move on.
Just two cents of my thought and what I want to tell other foreign nurses is that, just keep staying alive and do not back off.

And this is your first post here. And I have been helping foreign nurses come to the US for more than 20 years. And all of them were not given shortcuts to get here, and I do not beleive that those that are in the process should be automatically given a green card just because they applied.

I have quite a bit of compassion, if I did not, why in the world would I even bother with posting here. I want all of you to understand that many of us over here are not impressed with what we see going on with the CIR and with agencies that are selling you. That is what is happening right now, and I am getting contacted on a daily basis by several that have been taken advantage of and for no reason what so ever.

I work in a facility that is probably 40% foreign nurses, and have worked with many for years. They do not like seeing what is going on right now with cheating on exams, poor to none in the way of clinical training. Etc.

I have no problems with nurses that have gone thru the proper training and are doing something that they really want to do, I am all for that. And sure many of them have had a wish to work overseas.

But when you start seeing judges and attorneys going into second courser programs that have had shoddy training to say the least, and it is well known about the programs that they attended; you tell me what you would be thinking.

I have lived out of the US and in a third world country, and have travelled all over the world; I am very aware of what is going on in other countries. But that is still no reason that the US must open their gates and take everyone that wishes to work here, that is my point. There has never been open immigration for nurses since I can remember, and that is for many years; probably more than you have been on this earth. And I do not expect it to change at all. The US is not as short of nurses as you are hearing overseas by some agencies. Just not true. There are actually certain areas where you will not find foreign nurses petitioned at all.

I am just trying to give both sides to the story, and you need to be aware of it. Never good to hear only one side. And when someone who does not live in the US tells me that I need to contact my congressman so that they can work here, that does not fly and I want you to know why.

This is not the place to attack me for my beliefs, or anyone else for that matter. That is just not acceptable behavior for this bulletin board. We try to give a balanced side to each story and the reasoning why.

And if you will contact any foreign nurse that has been here for more than a couple of years and they own their own home, and car, and have money in the bank; you will see that they will agree with me 100%. Even for thoser of you that are pushing for the CIR; you have to pay for your immigration fees, or it is taken from your pay by your employer in many cases. The 12 million at the center of the CIR, will not have to pay it. It will be paid by our taxes, that is something that many of us are against.

Nurses have always been on their own in bills, except for some other health care workers, and still think that is the way that it should be now. You are not the same as others that wish to work in the US, you only have the green card available and that is the way that it should be. Most hospitals will no longer employ a nurse on a temporary visa.

I am entitled to my opinion, but I am not deserving of personal attacks when you do not know me or what I have accomplished for many foreign nurses here. Just because I look at things differently and do not want to see nurses treated as slaves, does not make me a bad person.

Please be respective of others here.

And I suggest that you have a look at what has been published about the CIR so far. And actually read the 400 pages that are out there. The center of it is amnesty program for 12 million people that have been in the US illegally. That is the center of the program and the focus. It is definitely not about nurses at all. Suggest that you take the time to actually read it and see what we are talking about. Then come back and tell me that it is not about amnesty or what ever word that you wish to use for 12 million people.

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Jun 6, 2007

I would like to Thank Suzanne for the kindness that she has shown over the years.

I regret that there are highly misguided people that say bad things about her.

d00dz · Jun 6, 2007

well , it's ok then if there is no " freedom of speech" in this forum due to your so called terms and conditions.
but you're not actually analyzing the forum we're in. who is a person start attacking and i have to reply to that " crap ". you should do something about it if you want your forum to be popular and useful. not the other way round.
i don't see anyone removing the thread started by rhp123.

can you explain on that ??

interestingly enough, the first unsavory posts in this thread came from yourself. all other prior posts were written respectfully. and your posts in question are now edited (lol). perhaps you edited them for fear of repercussions when you are now suddenly changing your tune?

by your logic, since you were in the position of the person who is 'attacking', the other posters were merely responding to your 'crap'. hmm?

ps. are you really from china as specified in your location? if you are, isn't freedom of speech already curtailed over there?

mcse · Jun 6, 2007

interestingly enough, the first unsavory posts in this thread came from yourself. all other prior posts were written respectfully. and your posts in question are now edited (lol). perhaps you edited them for fear of repercussions when you are now suddenly changing your tune?
by your logic, since you were in the position of the person who is 'attacking', the other posters were merely responding to your 'crap'. hmm?
ps. are you really from china as specified in your location? if you are, isn't freedom of speech already curtailed over there?

good day d00dz,

i heard you !

your comments on my post is questionable but it's more professional than rhp123. so i welcome your comments !

yeah.basically i have strong interest in reading than writing in this forum unless i think it is useful. but one way or another , it keeps me posting and i don't like that either. that's why i modified some of my post which i think is a little bit difficult to swallow for others. i don't have fear for that , i'm just trying to smoothen my expression.

as for your last question , it against my rules. i won't answer if you ask me some specific information like country / sex / address / contact / ssn.etc... and i don't recommend anyone to reveal personal information on any forum. like i said even the ip address of the user on this forum can't be trusted , i don't want to push further on this topic as this is a nursing cir awareness discussion.

cheers !

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