So disappointed with on-line program

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There were a number of reasons that my only option for APRN education was an on-line program. I'm the primary wage earner in our household of five and have to be able to keep working full time during school. Proximity to a brick and mortar program was also an issue. I've taken on-line classes before and I very much believe that you get out what you put in. So, it is my intention to make myself prepared to practice competently, and I've lined up some people that I really think will be excellent preceptors to help me in that respect. However, I have to say that the quality of the education is poor at best. The "advanced" pathophysiology and pharmacology courses largely consist of multiple choice exams and a lot of meaningless busywork assignments that I find to be on par with any undergraduate course I have taken over the years. I have found my own resources for lectures and information, but I think it's a sad state that this is the level of education I'm paying for from an institution, which I researched ahead of time and found was decently rated as an on-line program. I'm in the AGACNP program, and conceivably I could be hired as an acute care hospitalist. The same position that physicians with four years of medical school, residencies and advanced training, hold in our local hospitals. When I started, that was one end goal I was considering as a career path, but now I have concerns about my own readiness for that position when I finish. And it scares me for patients. I still have my clinical courses to complete, so maybe it's just too early to say, but the academic courses I have taken so far are a joke. And I have seen posts from many classmates that are struggling, which makes me wonder about the admission process, which I found a little lacking and probably should have been my first red flag.

I'm not trying to insult all on-line programs and students, and again, I know that in this learning format I'm responsible for making sure that I will be a competent APRN. But the lack of lectures, or interactive experiences from faculty, make it feel like they're just taking my money. (For example, I handed in an 8 page paper and 8 hours later had a 100% with no feedback other than "excellent". Did the professor even read it?!) I think as a profession, we are doing a disservice to well trained APRNs by turning out potentially unprepared APRNs. I understand that everyone still has to get licensed, but if you know how to take standardized tests, I think many people can pass a multiple choice exam with less than comprehensive knowledge of any subject.

I'm not sure how to wrap this up. Looking for other people's experience, thoughts, and maybe whether any practicing APRNs (if they check this board), found that the on-the-job training after school really filled in the gaps to lead to competent practice. I think we all know that coming out of nursing school we weren't really prepared to be nurses right away, so is this the same thing and I'm just being a little paranoid? Any thoughts appreciated.

I do not want to be "just given a degree." I want to be challenged and work hard!!

Excellent. There are plenty of "online" schools out there that require appropriate RN work experience, proctored exams, weekly "realtime" lectures, on campus skills labs and testing, and more than the minimum required clinical hours. Let us know which one you chose to attend!

Let us know which one you chose to attend!

I am still looking into various programs and speaking to my co-workers. As I stated in my first post, "I WILL NEED to attend an online university." Thus, I am not currently in a program. I have 12 years of RN experience. I thought most programs have proctored exams. Don't really care about "real time lectures." On campus skills lab would be great. Don't see the benefit of on campus testing vs. a proctored exam. I'd love to go beyond the minimum required clinical hours.

I see no great benefit in "real time lectures". My biggest benefit from my B and M PMHNP program was to see my cohorts in person, who had more psych experience than I did. They really knew the diseases. I aspired to that. I got there. It took time.

Without proctored exams, I can't imagine where we are. I find it completely bizarre. There were only a few when I went, but the preparation was intense.

I see no great benefit in "real time lectures". My biggest benefit from my B and M PMHNP program was to see my cohorts in person, who had more psych experience than I did. They really knew the diseases. I aspired to that. I got there. It took time.

Without proctored exams, I can't imagine where we are. I find it completely bizarre. There were only a few when I went, but the preparation was intense.

The real time lectures are part lecture and part conversation. The cases were we seeing in clinical. How we have seen our preceptors treat diseases. What labs and imaging were ordered. Which medications, etc. It was so helpful for me to talk through things with my classmates and to have the professor there, in real time, to guide our conversation. Discussion boards can't come close to that. And each class ended with case studies where we talked through the workup and treatment.

And non proctored exams... I have nothing to say about this. You can't call that an education.

The real time lectures are part lecture and part conversation. The cases were we seeing in clinical. How we have seen our preceptors treat diseases. What labs and imaging were ordered. Which medications, etc. It was so helpful for me to talk through things with my classmates and to have the professor there, in real time, to guide our conversation.

The program I work with now has this entirely separate from "lecture": a small group of students with a 1:4 clinical faculty to student ratio where students present and discuss cases with their peers and clinical faculty. The online program has a similar design as part of the synchronous portion of the program.

Discussion boards can't come close to that. And each class ended with case studies where we talked through the workup and treatment.

I agree that discussion posts don't hold a candle to clinical decision making groups.

I don't think most people's bite comes to the online part, its the non proctored exams.

I never went to class in med school unless mandatory, just studied the power points, did practice tests, and studied for boards. Never found the classroom part helpful in med school or NP school. Some of the small group stuff we did in med school was nice tho.

But its insane that they have non proctored exams in NP school at some places. Literally do you have to know anything? I know the NP board exam was a joke too so just passing that does not make somebody a safe prescriber.

MCQ exams only go so far but they at least test people on whether or not they know the information. But it seems many NP schools think discussion boards and ugh paper writing are good ways to test knowledge

hands on skills go without saying, they should be live. Probably why every clinical site I've been at refuses to take NPs because they have no skills prior to clinical. Even basic stuff they dont know.

I don't think most people's bite comes to the online part, its the non proctored exams.

I never went to class in med school unless mandatory, just studied the power points, did practice tests, and studied for boards. Never found the classroom part helpful in med school or NP school. Some of the small group stuff we did in med school was nice tho.

But its insane that they have non proctored exams in NP school at some places. Literally do you have to know anything? I know the NP board exam was a joke too so just passing that does not make somebody a safe prescriber.

I agree with you 100%. I do believe the standards should be increased. I wonder how many of the many NP's that complain about the low standards are out there really trying to make an impact. Do they even attend their association meetings? Do they try to run for NP Boards? Do they do anything to push for legislation? NP's have been amazingly successful at getting legislation passed for increased autonomy and prescriptive authority; so, it wouldn't be impossible to get higher standards for programs. Yes, it is easier to just sit behind a keyboard and complain...but if one is passionate, what's stopping him/her from doing the work to produce the desired result?

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
I agree with you 100%. I do believe the standards should be increased. I wonder how many of the many NP's that complain about the low standards are out there really trying to make an impact. Do they even attend their association meetings? Do they try to run for NP Boards? Do they do anything to push for legislation? NP's have been amazingly successful at getting legislation passed for increased autonomy and prescriptive authority; so, it wouldn't be impossible to get higher standards for programs. Yes, it is easier to just sit behind a keyboard and complain...but if one is passionate, what's stopping him/her from doing the work to produce the desired result?

I have and I do all of the above, in addition to sitting behind my keyboard complaining. The biggest obstacle I'm finding is the academic sect is overpowering in all of these venues. They seem to have more time than the rest of the working stiffs. They will protect their ability to have no clinical experience or acumen while keeping a foothold on cushy, low paying tenure positions like hungry hippos. The cash grab this entire debacle has created for universities gives them more power than you might have considered.

I'm happy to hear that you are out there fighting the good fight. Hopefully, your peers will join you, and we will see change. I know it is not an easy fight, but it is one that I believe can be won!

Specializes in Critical Care.

So I'm narrowing down the schools I'm applying for NP school. I have 3 years working in a respiratory care unit (stable trachs, vents, livers, traumas, strokes no drips or pressors) like an IMCU. All the schools I'm considering have live classes typically 1 day on campus for patho, pharmo, clinical courses, health assessment. A couple of the schools some of the courses you take with Med and PA students (not 100% on that). But, the main issue acute care vs primary care. Two schools only have primary care and 3 schools in my area have acute care AG programs. I reached out to some practicing NPs and they are saying that some FNPs are being made to get their acute care (typically via post grad cert). Again I've heard that some places don't care and base it on your experiences too. I know the knew model for SOC is shifting from setting to patient acuity. So you are treating critically ill patients, where in your training/education does it state that (Well I uhh I've been doing this for 15 years so get off my back, lol). Working in primary care setting managing chronic conditions and focusing on preventative care is something I could do for rest of my career and would be blessed. But, having option to work as an intensivist, hospitalist, ED, or speciality like pulm is important as well.

So I'm probably going to apply for the Acute Care Adult/Gero programs but one of the primary care programs total tuition is 18k. Every other program ranges from 35k to 50k. But I don't want to be messing around and getting a post masters cert after this. I'll probably only go back for DNP down the road.

So its settled Walden University it is thanks Allnurses.com for the unbiased recommendation, lol (too soon).

35k isn't too bad, 18 k is good. mine was 24 several years ago... just do not go to the stupid expensive ones like 80k that people on these forums tend to do then whine when they start having to pay that loan bill

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.

So its settled Walden University it is thanks Allnurses.com for the unbiased recommendation, lol (too soon).

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