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  1. BassCatchingNurse

    Triage scenario, opinions needed.

    We keep people all the time...until...a) a responsible adult assumes care of them...or b) the doctor believes the pt is no longer intoxicated. Here is a good read if anyone is interested.... Management of the Intoxicated Patient in the Emergency Department | 1998-
  2. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    I'm happy to hear that you are out there fighting the good fight. Hopefully, your peers will join you, and we will see change. I know it is not an easy fight, but it is one that I believe can be won!
  3. BassCatchingNurse

    NP Jobs still looking pretty good.

    Haha...it's ok to think that way. Believe me, what I think when I read some posts would get me banned from Allnurses. I just would like to see more positive posts. Nursing is a wonderful profession and has given me a lot over the years.
  4. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    I agree with you 100%. I do believe the standards should be increased. I wonder how many of the many NP's that complain about the low standards are out there really trying to make an impact. Do they even attend their association meetings? Do they try to run for NP Boards? Do they do anything to push for legislation? NP's have been amazingly successful at getting legislation passed for increased autonomy and prescriptive authority; so, it wouldn't be impossible to get higher standards for programs. Yes, it is easier to just sit behind a keyboard and complain...but if one is passionate, what's stopping him/her from doing the work to produce the desired result?
  5. BassCatchingNurse

    NP Jobs still looking pretty good.

    I understand the concerns that affect people's career. I guess my post wasn't real clear. I am not talking specifically about the negativity on the NP threads. It is the whole site. Certainly, you can find threads on here where people are arguing about "petty things" that do not have serious implications to people's career, right? Furthermore, I stated that it is really all forums on the internet that I see bickering and negativity with the exception of fishing forums. You see...trucks are not endangering careers, but I see people arguing over petty things all the time when I go on those forums. But, like I said, fishing forums are different for some reason other than "the subject matter is a hobby." Also, there are three ways you can treat a post that you feel is "threatening the life of your profession." One can..... 1) Respond professionally....(for example). I believe the NP profession should demand higher standards. There was a time when doctors were looked down upon and their "profession" was looked at as a trade. Today, because they organized and created high standards, their profession is well respected, highly skilled, and adequately paid. They have prestige. NP's will not have the same prestige if they continue upon the path of allowing programs with little if any standards. If you want to be an NP, you, too, should want and demand high standards by not trying to buy a degree, but instead, seek out a challenging program with a rigorous curriculum. or 2) Respond unprofessionally...(for example). "Yea..just go out and buy a degree. Man, some people think being an NP is "so easy." I worry about our profession if so many stupid people can become an NP." or 3) .....(nothing)....just keep scrolling. You do not have to respond to everyone. I understand the passion for the profession. I am not an NP, but I am an RN that loves nursing. That being said, it would be nice to see more posts about the positive aspects of being an NP. It would also be nice to see nurses...especially NP's respond to posters with persuasive arguments instead of unhelpful condescending remarks. Hopefully, you now see my comment as less "ridiculous."
  6. BassCatchingNurse

    NP Jobs still looking pretty good.

    I just wanted to say that I truly appreciate your positivity. It'd be nice to see more people like you here. I see Allnurses as a "Professional Message Board"; so, it disappoints me when I see so much negativity. The truth is it is nursing in general that seems so negative. Actually, just about every message board you go onto is loaded with negativity and bickering. Funny thing is...I go on fishing forums...and NEVER do I see this. Just a bunch of people trying to help each other out and spread the sport. You have guys that are "Abu only" or "Shimano only, etc" but it is never an issue. It doesn't matter if you are new to fishing or experienced, fish from the bank or a boat, fish artificial or live bait, pan fish or bass...nothing really seems to cause a fight or negativity. Anyway...thanks for the positive break!!! I am glad to see a happy NP!!
  7. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    I am still looking into various programs and speaking to my co-workers. As I stated in my first post, "I WILL NEED to attend an online university." Thus, I am not currently in a program. I have 12 years of RN experience. I thought most programs have proctored exams. Don't really care about "real time lectures." On campus skills lab would be great. Don't see the benefit of on campus testing vs. a proctored exam. I'd love to go beyond the minimum required clinical hours.
  8. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    I stand corrected. I guess we are in agreement. I repeatedly stated that I am all for raising the standards of all online schools. I guess you could have corrected my misunderstanding from the beginning, but instead you chose to talk down to me. You should understand a "misunderstanding." It is the same as when someone states they "believe something is true" and you change it to they "know something is true." I guess you can keep the dictionary...you might need it. I understand that "believing is not enough." My issue is that when I stated that I believe in myself, you belittled that thought. However, you had that same thought. I never said believing is enough. You changed the argument just so you could be condescending. It goes back to the first issue. I misunderstood your view on online schools. But it was an honest mistake. You either misunderstood the point that I was making or just wanted to be condescending. So yes, I am being condescending. I give what I get. I started off with a simple statement of my belief. You chose to belittle me. Thus, I responded. The OP stated that she felt like her program should be more challenging, and she was attacked. It doesn't make sense. As a professional, I'd think you could have expressed yourself in a more helpful way. And yes, you didn't produce any stats, studies, or evidence to back your opinion.....and yet, proceeded to tell me how "believing is not enough." I agree...you don't. The reason I posted that is because...AGAIN...you belittled me for saying the EXACT SAME thing that I later see you posted yourself!! I was pointing out the hypocrisy. I assume it's the ego that made you miss my point. Not really "thick headed"...I just do not like condescending people with over inflated egos. That being said, I never claimed to "know the problems NP face." I never said, "I know best." I actually stated that BostonFNP would know better than me because "I am not an NP." Why are you so hostile? You will be okay. Life is actually pretty good!!! No need to be sad. You never had to argue with me that I "should have to work hard to become a NP." I believe that I should have to work hard. If you weren't so busy talking down to me and actually read my post, you could have saved your time and emotional state!! Look on the bright side....I now understand your view on online schools and agree with you 100%...and, hopefully, you now know that I do not want to be "just given a degree." I want to be challenged and work hard!!
  9. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    Look what I found while looking at the NP forum. You are saying the same thing for which you are trying to belittle me. Interesting. You said this person would need to read more on their own in order to make up for the program's low standards. You said that PA and MD programs require an incredible amount of SELF TEACHING!!! What a joke!!!
  10. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    I am sure you are a wonderful provider and certainly showed dedication. I have a lot of respect for what you did to obtain your goal. I, too, will have to make sacrifices. I'm sure not on the level of what you did, but there will be sacrifices. The biggest for me will be time away from my wife and kids. That is no small sacrifice in my opinion. I agree with you 100%...NP education should have high standards and can be done online.
  11. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    There are people that go to med school and PA school that have kids, quit their jobs, and move. But some can't. Some have family that can watch the kids. Some do not need the income. Med students will get loans to live on because they will be doctors when they graduate...I do not think an NP will get the same loans. I could be wrong. Move? Do you own a house? Not everyone can "just move." It is actually one of the drawbacks to buying a house. I make excellent money, but I have bills. My wife cannot supplement my income. I cannot sell my house because once the economy turned I lost equity..A LOT!! If I filed bankruptcy (which I do not view as an honorable option anyway), I couldn't get loans to go to grad school. Some things are possible, some things are not. Everyone's situation is different. I also do not believe a medical provider education should be compromised for anyone and everyone who wants it. When did I say otherwise? I repeatedly stated that I am all for increased standards. I just disagree with your belief as it pertains to online schools.
  12. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    The difference is...one would be an "eye witness account" that would all but ensure a conviction...the other would not be sufficient to even go to court. But, you already knew that. So it is ok that you believed in yourself prior to being rigorously tested because you have now been rigorously tested...but those other people can't believe in themselves because they haven't been yet tested? That does not make any sense. And again, one can be rigorously tested in an online program. We both agree that low standards should be unacceptable in graduate school...online or B&M. One still has a curriculum in online schools. A&P, Pharmacology, advanced assessment, etc. I am not talking about going down to the library and picking up "doctoring for dummies." But it's cute. You want to be right. I stated that I am all for rigorous standards for all programs including online. I disagreed with your belief that online schools should not be allowed because of your false belief that showing up to class at a specific time means "you really want it" or that it makes you a better provider. You didn't provide any proof for your belief. No statistics...no studies...no evidence. You just resort to talking down to people. Did they not teach you how to make a persuasive argument in that rigorous B&M school that you went to? You are just telling me what you believe. But hey...it's like you said...."That's why believing means nothing."
  13. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    I agree with you about "low quality schools." I personally would be on board with raising the standards...and having a standard across the board as far as curriculum, clinicals, etc. I do not see how entrance exams affect the quality of graduates. Yes, it would weed out some from getting into the program, but if they "are not smart enough" then they shouldn't make it through the program anyway; Right? Again, I am all for higher standards. And no...I do not...nor am I from....a generation that believes "everyone is entitled to a trophy." I've worked hard my whole life for everything that I have. I do want to earn my degree. Never did I say that I want it "given to me." What I said, and still believe, is that an online program can be rigorous and sufficient to put out quality NPs. If anyone has evidence against that statement, I am waiting to hear it? If not, then what is there to argue about. We are in agreement. But, for someone to say..."yes...online schools can put out quality NP's, but I don't care...I want them banned" makes no sense.
  14. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    I certainly never claimed to be "well above average in just about everything." It's not even about me. It's a question as to whether online schools are sufficient to put out quality NPs or not. Ironically, Dodongo agrees there are quality online schools out there, but still wants them all banned. As far as your comment, if directed at me, it is only sad if I am overestimating my ability to study and learn. I agree that many people think they are more capable than they are....BUT...I also know that there are many people out there that hold themselves back because they do not believe in themselves. I'm sure you believed in your abilities when you went to graduate school.
  15. BassCatchingNurse

    So disappointed with on-line program

    How can you reply to something that you didn't read? Maybe you would have understood someone else's point/reason. I have no problem with creating higher standards for online programs. If you would have read my reply you would know why I disagree. Again, entrance exams do not tell you one thing about how good of a provider you will be. Scheduled classes do not prove how good of a provider you will be. The ability of the individual to learn and transmit that knowledge into practice says how good of a provider you will be...and THAT can be learned in an online school. If you know there are quality online programs out there, then let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. I am in complete agreement with you about the quality of some programs and the quality (or lack thereof) of the NP students. We do not disagree. We also seem to agree that there are quality programs, but you still want them gone. It doesn't really make sense. Why not just work to increase standards. Certainly there are quality providers that you know or are at least "out there" that could not have become NPs if it were not for online programs. Right?
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