Should Our Study Group Allow a Failing Student to Join?

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I am in a study group with 2 friends I have known and taken classes with for over a year. The 3 of us are all A/B students, come prepared, text each other during the week if we are confused about something, etc. We've become a tight knit group because we know we help instead of hindering.

There is a student who is currently failing A&P 2 who wants to join our study group. All 3 of us are leery about it. She comes to class late, she asks us to send her recordings, she looks at my notes everyday. If she put forth the effort herself we wouldn't mind trying to help her, but we feel like she just wants to ride our backs and we're not cool with that.

Our school has a science resource center she can go to, we have free one on one tutors, and the library has models she can check out for 2 hours at a time to study. There are ways for her to help herself before we help her.

I've worked my butt off to get where I am. I should be hearing if I am accepted to my program in 3 weeks. I am not going to get dragged down by someone who can't do the work themselves.

How horrible are we?

Did you read the comment above yours? The student is not applying to a nursing program and OP's desire to be a nurse has no bearing on whether or not she chooses to assist this student.

It's okay Leigh. I obviously don't fit into the martyr system of these other posters.

She got a 50/100 on the second exam. She's audited the class. She coming and listening, but won't be taking the tests. She's also stopped attending lab, which I really don't agree with, but that's her decision. She's still bad mouthing nurses everyday. I sincerely hope that staying in the class will help her understand the material next time she takes it.

Well I was just putting my opinion in as far

as assisting students that struggle whether

in rhe program or not. Its obsurd how

I see people on here ridecule others

or about those that people on here are talking

about without considering what the person

is dealing with. People come here for advice

or to share and then get totally ridiculed.

Who cares if I make a B or even a C in A&P

as long as I understand the material then great.

Yes grades matter here but people make

a big deal about A's then wonder why

some people dont make it. Its due to

lack of empathy for the person and continuous

pressure to pass these classes with A's.

My doctor told me she had B's her colleague

had A's and her colleage is no better

of a doctor than my doctor because she had more A's

than my doctor. Im making a point that

once you pass your boards and are hired

to work as a nurse A, B C D doesnt determine

who you are. I just wanted to bring this up.

Actually, of you get a D in my program you get kicked out. 75% is the minimum. Below that, you're out.

And the "homework" I assigned her? She "forgot it at home."

I know this has a lot of answers and not sure if you have stopped reading the responses, but...

If it was a student who worked hard but still couldnt grasp it, then yes. Teaching otheers helps me stufy and retain the info better. On the other hand, it sounds like she expects you all to carry her through, so definetly not.

Sorry for the typos. this site is acting really buggy

I know that having a D or F is not acceptable

in any program whatsoever nor is allowing

a student to slack off and not put forth

the effort to do their share in the group

activities not fair to those you have

worked so hard to get where you are.

Im just saying that yes we need A's and B's

to succeed in nursing school but once we

pass our boards and begin working with our patients

Im pretty sure that our patients are not going

to care if we make an A B or C grade in any of

our classes. Oh sorry lol your right I said

a D thanks for correcting me. Even making C's

especially in our sciences are detrimental to our

gpa and overall success as far as understanding

the material.

I don't understand why some people are focusing on whether or not she is trying to get in the nursing program. If she's trying to enroll into the nursing program, does that mean OP is more obligated to help? I don't think that that should be a factor in helping the individual in the class. If someone is unable to pass a class, that is on them. If they have extenuating circumstances, perhaps they should withdraw or wait to take these classes.

And clearly, with this individual, she is not willing to put forth the effort. OP asked for her to display some indication of her desire to put in some work, in the form of some very minimal writing, which she failed to do.

Specializes in Hospice.
I know that having a D or F is not acceptable

in any program whatsoever nor is allowing

a student to slack off and not put forth

the effort to do their share in the group

activities not fair to those you have

worked so hard to get where you are.

Im just saying that yes we need A's and B's

to succeed in nursing school but once we

pass our boards and begin working with our patients

Im pretty sure that our patients are not going

to care if we make an A B or C grade in any of

our classes. Oh sorry lol your right I said

a D thanks for correcting me. Even making C's

especially in our sciences are detrimental to our

gpa and overall success as far as understanding

the material.

I think you didn't read the posts where OP clarified that this student wasn't looking to enter a Nursing program to begin with. Matter of fact, she spent all her time talking down nurses.

That alone should have disqualified her from the study group. Who needs to listen to crap like that when you're trying to make the grades that will help you get into the program to begin with?

First of all this discussion is rediculous

Second who cares if she wants to help

this student or not.Then if she is not

even in her program I wouldnt worry about

and move on. Stop wasting time trying

to figure out whether to allow someone

into her group thats just gonna bring

them down. Sorry but I tell it as I feel

it needs told.

Specializes in Hospice.
First of all this discussion is rediculous

Second who cares if she wants to help

this student or not.Then if she is not

even in her program I wouldnt worry about

and move on. Stop wasting time trying

to figure out whether to allow someone

into her group thats just gonna bring

them down. Sorry but I tell it as I feel

it needs told.

Yeah but this wasn't how you felt before you found out the rest of the story.

One thing you're right about, they WERE wasting their time. Sometimes the pressure to be "nice" outweighs the reality; the person didn't deserve "nice", she deserved a swift kick in the butt.

Well in that case then everyone or most

everyone on here is right the person

asking to join the group is just a barrier

to the ones that are contributing to the work.

So yes then I totally agree they need

to tell this person that they have worked

hard for the grades they earned and plan

to keep it that way. Let her know straight forward

if she messes up once in whether it be

not participating in group discussions over chapters

doing chapter assignments practice tests

then tell her shes eliminated from the group

they cant take anymore chances of allowing

her to slack in the work while they continue

to work hard.

Well I was just putting my opinion in as far

as assisting students that struggle whether

in rhe program or not. Its obsurd how

I see people on here ridecule others

or about those that people on here are talking

about without considering what the person

is dealing with. People come here for advice

or to share and then get totally ridiculed.

Who cares if I make a B or even a C in A&P

as long as I understand the material then great.

Yes grades matter here but people make

a big deal about A's then wonder why

some people dont make it. Its due to

lack of empathy for the person and continuous

pressure to pass these classes with A's.

My doctor told me she had B's her colleague

had A's and her colleage is no better

of a doctor than my doctor because she had more A's

than my doctor. Im making a point that

once you pass your boards and are hired

to work as a nurse A, B C D doesnt determine

who you are. I just wanted to bring this up.

I just want to bring up that some people want to go to graduate school. Grades matter to some of us because we know that "C = RN", but C doesn't = competitive enough for certain grad schools.

If you ever want a Master's degree you might regret this attitude.

Um whatever I might but maybe nursing

isnt all that important then. It aint

worth all this. I got a C in A&P and just

because I got a C I aint competitive.

All my other grades are A's and B's

I did try in the class. It isnt worth

people telling me Im not gonna make

it because of a lousy C in A&P.

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