I'm actually broadly sympathetic to the protesters. When you have 22 million Americans unemployed, massive lines at food banks, and even more projected layoffs, even a Second Great Depression, people are going to have had it. Even nurses and other hospital workers cannot get paid if the economy tanks and there's no money cycling through the U.S. system.
I think the quarantines have gone on way too long. We should have gone the Sweden herd immunity model in the first place. If people are still that scared of this Coronavirus they ought to quarantine themselves. The rest of the country shouldn't have to keep catering to the susceptible minority much longer. I'm grateful that I live in Texas and my governor seems committed to reopening our state in early May, whether hell or high water.
I already have a job. And I've been working without any government freebies (excepting the $1200 stimulus we all got). We have to reopen America. Corona or no Corona, it's time to move on.
Let's ask those in high risk jobs what they think. And you can help get this country "move on" by helping out in an area where they need it. Don't just complain from the easy and safer distance.
You don't think the situation should allow for adjustment as needed? It's always nice to look at Trump's decisions with hindsight and criticize solely for political bias. How has any other U.S. president handled Coronavirus? Oh wait, there are no others. It is reasonable to allow for change as the situation changes. You would never say the things you're saying if it was Obama.
The problem is it's hard to "adjust" when you are blind as to the actual extent of the infection contagion and do not have anything close to the testing and tracing capability to stop another major wave. Without it you are effectively guaranteeing another wave (or two or three) which makes all the pain and economic cost of the last 6 weeks for naught.
They can also defer all mortgage or rent payments, all auto loan payments, etc for months. They can purchase and distribute food and water and routine medications.
this should have happened instead of the stimulus checks imo...
Let's ask those in high risk jobs what they think. And you can help get this country "move on" by helping out in an area where they need it. Don't just complain from the easy and safer distance.
I already have a job... Again. And people who are non-nurses and were working pre-quarantine are not obligated to helping out. People are fed up with the Coronavirus crisis. They can only make sacrifices up to a limit. Be pragmatic here. No point in having the entire US economy melt down with indefinite quarantine. It's time to realize there is a world outside the public health obsession with this virus.
I didn't know you were an expert on our economy! Please explain with what money we can do this with and how will it impact our economy when we have to pay it back.
Clearly you are not either. While, Incidentally, I agree with you that the deficits Trump has been running and the cost of this pandemic is a real problem, I have an issue with the predictable up-in-arms we can't afford it stuff whenever it comes to the regular middle class getting something.
People are fed up with the Coronavirus crisis. They can only make sacrifices up to a limit. Be pragmatic here. No point in having the entire US economy melt down with indefinite quarantine. It's time to realize there is a world outside the public health obsession with this virus.
Actually by late polling at least 60% disagree with you.
And here's the thing about viruses and science: they don't care if you're "fed up" with them or not.
Yeah here's the thing: a lot of Americans are not going to be okay with 50% unemployment and actual starvation here in America because the food supply chain collapsed during a Second Great Depression. At that point nobody is going to care about this Coronavirus any longer. Don't be myopic. There is a world outside the Coronavirus fight.
Clearly you are not either. While, Incidentally, I agree with you that the deficits Trump has been running and the cost of this pandemic is a real problem, I have an issue with the predictable up-in-arms we can't afford it stuff whenever it comes to the regular middle class getting something.
Oh I never claimed to be. This spending is not all Trump and in fact most of the non virus spending is being pushed by your party.
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Actually by late polling at least 60% disagree with you.
And here's the thing about viruses and science: they don't care if you're "fed up" with them or not.
Statistics can be biased as you well know. Where did you get your figures? From a biased convenience poll? They probably asked "Do you want to open the entire U.S. for business right now? That's how those things work.
I'm not an epidemiologist or anything but I am in the thick of it and the patients we have been treating lately seem to either be mildly symptomatic to the point where they can discharge in a couple of days or they will be fine and tank with 12-24 hrs it's hit or miss...But there's been less of the latter lately.
To answer the OP It doesn't seem realistic to keep millions of people at home, out of work and with supplies destined to keep running out. On the other hand I pray that we don't get a surge of infections when the states open back up. If we do I hope we get more staff (all hands on deck) and the PPE keeps rolling in, donations and all, we'll take what we can get...
And what about those of us who are not on unemployment? We get nothing. Meanwhile the dems want to add spending to the next bill for things that are completely unrelated.
Repugs have had both houses of Congress for all but six years since 1994. Maybe you want to familiarize yourself with the Statistical Abstract of the USA and look at what happened with revenue outlays and intake over that time (aka deficits see are the difference between federal receipts - federal outlays and therefore when they are incurred it can be from revenue reductions as well as "spending").
Similarly you don't GET to blame Trumps annual 2 trillion dollars on the Democrats when Repubs control the Whitehouse and Moscow Mitch is the Senate Majority Leader. Even with a Democratic House Majority as of 2019, that is only ONE of THREE signatures on the federal budget.
You might consider turning off A.M radio and investing in a civic education.
I'm not an epidemiologist or anything but I am in the thick of it and the patients we have been treating lately seem to either be mildly symptomatic to the point where they can discharge in a couple of days or they will be fine and tank with 12-24 hrs it's hit or miss...But there's been less of the latter lately.
To answer the OP It doesn't seem realistic to keep millions of people at home, out of work and with supplies destined to keep running out. On the other hand I pray that we don't get a surge of infections when the states open back up. If we do I hope we get more staff (all hands on deck) and the PPE keeps rolling in, donations and all, we'll take what we can get...
Well, my advice is to listen to the epidemologists and learn about ttin they are recommending.
Note that the way South Korea, Singapore and New Zealand got this under control was with extensive testing and tracing of contacts. And they did it for a hairpin of the cost and deaths we are experiencing.
While I understand that the President's rightwing base is making a lot of noise about now , I don't think that a second and third wave and the hellscape talk of sacrificing an entire generation of people is the answer from either a medical ethics or a Christian perspective. And I don't think people are going to "get back to normal" unless they feel this is under control anyway.
Oh I never claimed to be. This spending is not all Trump and in fact most of the non virus spending is being pushed by your party.
Statistics can be biased as you well know. Where did you get your figures? From a biased convenience poll? They probably asked "Do you want to open the entire U.S. for business right now? That's how those things work.
My supposed Party didn't take the House of Representatives until January of 2019 so the first budget they would have had any input of (33% leaving 67% responsibility to Trump and Moscow Mitch). Meanwhile Trump has been running deficits of 1.7-2trillion before that. He seems perfectly happy to spend money on his favorite things: business deals for PPE to bankrupt companies with no employees, arranging deals for Javanka's handbags and real estate, his golfing vacations, Mar Lago entertainment and hotel empire btw).
Considering you obviously don't even understand how federal budgets work (hint: they are produced, revised and signed off by the Whitehouse, Senate and House), it's interesting that you're ranting and raving about biased polls. Or something. Again, I suggest a civic education.
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Let's ask those in high risk jobs what they think. And you can help get this country "move on" by helping out in an area where they need it. Don't just complain from the easy and safer distance.