Should I try and become a Nurse in a Naturopathic Clinic or a Naturopathic Doctor?

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mlbluvr

mlbluvr

Has 25 years experience. 171 Posts

NP medicine is licensed in about 15 states. In the others states it's either unlicensed (meaning anyone can call herself a 'Naturopathic Physician'), or it's illegal- and the AMA is behind that driving force. As far as if NP works? Some of it is just nonsense (homeopathy, treating AIDS or cancer with H202 infusions, etc.). A lot of it is wonderful and proven- back adjustments, massage, accupuncture, bowel cleanses, and IVs that flush your system out. As far as nursing goes- I have a friend that is a NP, and he uses a medical assistant (you heard me RIGHT!) to start all of his IVs. I thought he was out of his mind, until I read the state laws that say, basically, under supervision? An MA can do almost 'anything' a physician wants, under direct supervision. So, no NP is going to pay an RN, when he can pay an MA $9 an hour to give a $5 IV that he bills the patient for, for about $150. Sorry for the reality check!

Panasonic

Panasonic

Specializes in Emergency Department. Has 4 years experience. 19 Posts

I went to an NP a few years ago. Awesome experience. I felt she spent way more time with me than any regular "doctor"has before. In my opinion, go all the way. She had her own practice, for which I paid like $300 for one visit (worth it, to me), and did not have a nurse.

mlbluvr

mlbluvr

Has 25 years experience. 171 Posts

Not to mention- since you paid cash, your encounter with her will 'never' enter the digital realm, so your secrets are safe with her!

elkpark

14,633 Posts

The American Holistic Nurses Association, accredited by ANCC supports CAM. Enough said.

Obviously the AHNA would "support" CAM. What do you mean by "accredited by ANCC"? I'm unaware of the ANCC "accrediting" any voluntary specialty organizations.

MadpeysRN

Specializes in MedSurg, OR, Cardiac step down. 365 Posts

Rude and insensitive' date=' but there is absoloutely ZERO good evidence that naturopathy works. If we were talking about someone peddling an allopathic treatment regimen with zero evidence as a "cure" we'd call them a quack. Yet for some reason when we talk about CAM we're supposed to be "sensitive" about stuff that doesn't work.[/quote']

If there is zero evidence it is probably due to the fact that there is very little research given pharmaceutical companies have their tentacles in everything...

zahryia

zahryia, LPN

Specializes in L&D, QI, Public Health. 537 Posts

Obviously the AHNA would "support" CAM. What do you mean by "accredited by ANCC"? I'm unaware of the ANCC "accrediting" any voluntary specialty organizations.

The ANCC accredits the organization (AHNCC) and/or the credential for holistic nurse.

zahryia

zahryia, LPN

Specializes in L&D, QI, Public Health. 537 Posts

Want to hit me with the literature I've missed? Cause I'm pretty sure the CAM folks would be crowing about something showing even minimal benefit.

Lol. This is an old post so i won't bother fully address the level of ignorance of this post.

cayenne06, MSN, CNM

Specializes in Reproductive & Public Health. Has 10 years experience. 1,394 Posts

Um. There is plenty of evidence to back up many CAM modalities. Yes, some alternative remedies have been proven not to work. Others have been proven harmful. Some lack evidence to verify their efficacy, and others have fairly strong evidence supporting them. Lots of herbal remedies work very well, and things like acupuncture have some data behind them. Allopathic medicine has more than it's fair share of harmful and non-evidence based practices.

Don't knock CAM as a whole. We should look at all forms of healing- allopathic or naturopathic- with a healthy dose of skepticism.

ALSO- and this is important, IMO- the placebo effect is a real thing. The placebo effect can bring relief to people without the hefty dose of side effects inherent in many drugs. That's why I am a reluctant fan of homeopathy. Homeopathy is a load of crap. But it really *works* for some people, and as long as they don't eschew needed allopathic treatments, then homeopathy can be a helpful treatment.

An another note, naturopathic training can also help clinicians work with traditional healers. This skill is very important if you want to work in indigent communities or do international work.

RiverLion

RiverLion

2 Posts

usalsfyre, you sound quite defensive, like someone who might have loads of deeply buried anger, who might actually benefit from alternative modalities in healing. Don't knock it until you actually do some research yourself. It's out there and so are tons of evidence suggesting this stuff actually DOES work, better and faster than western medicine actually, without side effects and damage to the patient as well (can you say that about chemotherapy??). Some of the reason we don't always hear about how well it works, is the negative outlook pharmaceutical companies (among others) have against something that might take business from them. That battle is not a new one and not always out in the open to see. I am a nurse and massage therapist and have studied both sides of this equation for a long time. I practice natural methods in healing as well, on my clients/patients and myself with great results, and am debating going back to school actually, for naturopathy or holistic nursing...I haven't decided. But the fact is that no one knows all the answers, and you can't tell me that you do. So before shutting the idea down further in your own brain, and before sending any more rude comments, do yourself and everyone around you a favor and educate yourself on what you are actually bashing. Then you won't sound like such a moron. I hope for your sake and your health that you do...and I do apologize for any abrasiveness in this thread, I'm not perfect, as no one is. For starters, try googling Dr. Burzynski or Dr. Joel Wallach. Dr. Burzynski is well known for his alternative methods in treating and curing brain cancer, which results of have been well documented. Dr. Wallach is a naturopath and veterinarian who has developed a leading line of vitamins and minerals that have also been well documented to cease many diseases from developing further and even curing them, all on their own. Both doctors have been to court countless times, in attempts to debunk their methods, and guess what. They WON their cases and STILL practice because they had EVIDENCE their methods worked.

As for the original post, you sound like you have similar ambitions as myself so I can definitely relate. You have a genuine desire to help people, which is so great to see. Keep yourself motivated and educated in every system of healing that you can find! Good luck and I hope you succeed in finding your purpose!

RiverLion

RiverLion

2 Posts

Yea, I'm a little embarrassed that I did respond to it...it just struck a nerve after a long day I suppose! haha :).

PeacockMaiden

PeacockMaiden

Specializes in psychiatric nursing. Has 3 years experience. 159 Posts

If usalsfyre gets into the situation where conventional Western medicine fails to address their own health issues, they will change their tune.

As a patient myself with chronic Lyme disease and a patient advocate for a Lyme disease organization, I have seen first hand how integrative medicine can address issues that Western medicine alone cannot.

returnednurse

returnednurse

16 Posts

I know of some of the CAM out there and that patients have had some good individual results. I have performed a literature review on the subject but, that would be my first suggestion to see what evidence is out there. also check the licensing requirements for your state prior to enrolling an a program to make sure it will meet your needs and you will be practicing legally. We have some holistic mds in our area but, seem the be just peddling their own herbs rather than really solving the problem. I am still uncertain about the whole thing but, like the idea of integrating less traditional approaches to the fast, less cut and cure everything right now approach.