Should I try and become a Nurse in a Naturopathic Clinic or a Naturopathic Doctor?

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elkpark

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The ANCC accredits the organization (AHNCC) and/or the credential for holistic nurse.

Actually, no. It's the AHNCC, the American Holistic Nurses Credentialing Corporation, a branch of the AHNA, not the ANCC, that offers the credential. The ANCC approves the AHNA's continuing education offerings, which is a pretty common situation and doesn't represent any specific approval or accreditation of the organization.

Hex, LPN

Specializes in Tele, Medsurg, Stepdown. Has 7 years experience. 97 Posts

There is no such thing as "Western" medicine, there is no such thing as "alternative" medicine (we all know the old cliche, if it worked it would not need to be called 'alternative').

There is only science-based, evidence-based medicine. And if you do not believe in it, then I'm a little perplexed as to why you would want to become a nurse at all.

JTworoger

JTworoger

Specializes in Long Term Care, Medical Surgical, ER. Has 10 years experience. 37 Posts

There is no such thing as "Western" medicine, there is no such thing as "alternative" medicine (we all know the old cliche, if it worked it would not need to be called 'alternative').

There is only science-based, evidence-based medicine. And if you do not believe in it, then I'm a little perplexed as to why you would want to become a nurse at all.

Science-based, evidence-based medicine is good in theory and practice. It is always good to be to have this perspective. However, holistic modalities exist and are IN FACT more popular then conventional, modern medicine.

I find it hard to believe that some nurse's feel that holistic medicine is not even worth the mention. Especially since most of us are taught about other modalities of treatments for our patients.

I have alopecia araeta due to ulcerative colitis flare up and in combination with idiopathic pancreatitis. I received this news yesterday and when the NP gave me the results of my biopsy she said to me that even know there is no modern, conventional medicine that can be prescribed for this that I should try and go to a health foods store and ask them about other modalities.

Modern medicine is not the answer for everything and it will never be. There are many medications that are on the market today made by pharm companies that were originally plant material. A big example is digoxin. The only difference is chemists have learned to synthesize these products to make them more responsive to certain disease processes.

Holistic medicine works for some people, just like allopathic medicine works for some people. Its all about the belief systems of our patients.

As Hex said, there really isn't western vs eastern medicine. There is just medicine: that which has been scientifically proven to work. That which hasn't proven effective isn't medicine. There are many scientific journals which have published results of many CAM studies. Some have been shown to be effective and some have not.

spaceinthesky

spaceinthesky

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Who would be funding the research? Mother Earth? The alliance of trees and bushes? Or the naturopaths that are probably not making that much money?

Lolz :) I don't really know that much about naturopathy at all. But I do know that things like reishi mushrooms are proven to cure cancer and recognized as such elsewhere (China).

In Dharamsala I went to HH Dalai Lama's former physician and got herbs to take 4x a day for a month and came back home to normal thyroid levels (tsh was 8). And it cost the equivalent of five dollars!

Def good to operate within the system if you want to get paid. It's sad but it is how it is. Then from there, incorporate or branch out. Best of luck!

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spaceinthesky

spaceinthesky

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I guess the other part is that placebos are scientifically proven to work too. So there's that.

cecej435

cecej435

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The so-called "alternative medicine" have been around for thousands of years...well before conventional medicine. More people have died using conventional medicine than any other form of medicine. We are living in a totally brainwashed society. We can shoot a rocket in outer space yet we can't find a cure for anything? I find that hard to believe. I think there's more to this story than they're telling us. Wake up folks!

Hex, LPN

Specializes in Tele, Medsurg, Stepdown. Has 7 years experience. 97 Posts

The so-called "alternative medicine" have been around for thousands of years...well before conventional medicine. More people have died using conventional medicine than any other form of medicine. We are living in a totally brainwashed society. We can shoot a rocket in outer space yet we can't find a cure for anything? I find that hard to believe. I think there's more to this story than they're telling us. Wake up folks!

Wow. That is a whole lot of crap in just 5 lines. Yes, alternative "medicine"

is old, so what? Something being old does not make it true or effective. Look up the argument from antiquity. The main reason we live longer than ever before in human history is because science and science-based medicine have made it possible for most of us to make it out of childhood alive, and well into our 70s and 80s.

And I suspect that, yes, many people die while being treated by modern medicine because many, many people have the common sense to seek out modern medicine over quackery. Why? Because it usually works. Does it cure everything? Of course not, and it has never claimed to do so. But it has a track record that trumps any form of quackery out there.

Hex, LPN

Specializes in Tele, Medsurg, Stepdown. Has 7 years experience. 97 Posts

Who would be funding the research? Mother Earth? The alliance of trees and bushes? Or the naturopaths that are probably not making that much money?

If there is money to be made from a possible cancer cure investors would be lining up from here to the moon.

Lolz :) I don't really know that much about naturopathy at all. But I do know that things like reishi mushrooms are proven to cure cancer and recognized as such elsewhere (China).

Really? What type of cancer, all of them? Because they're not all the same, you know? Different cancer types would require different treatments and cures. And how is it that such an Earth-shattering treatment hasn't become world famous or hasn't been front-page news on every single newspaper in the world? Let me take a wild guess... Big Pharma?

How do you know these magical mushrooms work? Have they been studied/tested? Have those studies been replicated?

In Dharamsala I went to HH Dalai Lama's former physician and got herbs to take 4x a day for a month and came back home to normal thyroid levels (tsh was 8). And it cost the equivalent of five dollars!

Sorry but we'll need more evidence than just anecdotal data; especially after your mushroom statement.

Hex, LPN

Specializes in Tele, Medsurg, Stepdown. Has 7 years experience. 97 Posts

Science-based, evidence-based medicine is good in theory and practice. It is always good to be to have this perspective. However, holistic modalities exist and are IN FACT more popular then conventional, modern medicine.

Whether they are more or less popular I don't know, but I do know that the truth of a claim is not affected in any way by how many people believe it.

Holistic medicine works for some people, just like allopathic medicine works for some people. Its all about the belief systems of our patients..

I would have to disagree. It's about what the evidence suggests works, not about what people want to believe or not.
yogalove

yogalove

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Here's a form of CAM that's been proven to work - millions of people use it everyday. There's also lots of promising research being done currently about yoga for cancer/cancer recovery, stress, depression, anxiety, smoking cessation, muscular problems, and pain. Check it out!

Yoga as a Complementary Health Approach | NCCAM

Mind and Body Approaches for Smoking Cessation: A Review | NCCAM

Integrative medicine, or CAM, doesn't have to take the place of conventional medicine - it should be a combination of both forms. It's important to highlight that Americans are actively seeking out "alternative treatments or therapies" more than ever before. Many herbs can have interactions with prescription medications. As health care providers, we need to be knowledgeable about these interactions. It's ignorant to think that we shouldn't educate ourselves about something even if we don't agree with it.

Yes, there are more studies that need to be done to prove the efficacy of specific forms of CAM... and that is EXACTLY what's currently happening. Most people would be surprised at the information out there, if they actually took the time to look into current research.

yogalove

yogalove

Specializes in CCU, Neurosurgery, M/S, Home Health,. 26 Posts

Another great article

Yoga Can Lower Fatigue, Inflammation in Breast Cancer Survivors

AND another one!!!

Laboratory Study Suggests Potential Anti-Cancer Benefit of White Tea Extract | NCCAM (about lung cancer prevention and white tea consumption)

AND - back to the original post. I think that pursuing an advanced nursing degree (Nurse Practitioner, Family Nurse Practitioner) is the way to go - and then go on to do some post graduate work in Holistic Nursing. That way you have a good foundation to work from. I think this would give you lots of options.