Secondary PTSD spread the word PLEASE!!!

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I was a great nurse. With more than 2 decades under my belt, almost all in hospice. The rest ICU, ER and oncology.. I never had heard of this. It affected me over several years, I went from being the best nurse there, to someone trying to make it through a day, paralyzed by anxiety. Avoiding TV and movies because they might contain my triggers. cancer, suffering. I went from a great dad to one my early teenagers avoid. New management wanted me out and I overheard it. The pressure doubled. I had severe 2 am panic attacks nightly, I stated to keep a bottle of schnapps near my bed. I had not had a drink in 25 years and schnapps was the only one, I could tolerate. I had a panic attack a couple hours later than normal. I tried to google a calculator to see how much was too much and be present at work.. This calculators was for DUI prevention, 0.08 was the goal. . I was taken to do a breathylizer. I asked for a union rep. Told I had 30 minutes. I had never been in trouble. I did not know how and they would not help, I begged them to tell me a way or be allowed to get help from another nurse. They were silent.

At 30 minutes They said do it now or your terminated. I blew a 0.03 . Placed on administrative leave and sent home. I was already barely holding on , i became lethargic. The shrink covering my shrinks Vacation figured it out In seconds after years. He put me on disability to get my head to a place where I could at least communicate effectively and advocate for myself. I started getting the right help. Disability was 6 weeks long with a note to continue for another 6 months if they're unable to accommodate me and moved me to an department away from cancer death and suffering. 6 weeks later I got a call asked me to come in to discuss my accommodation, no union rep needed. We had all recieved a memo that there would be no Union reps available for 4 days. This was in the middle. I asked to reschedule, called the Union,l they said there was nothing I could do. They also had my check and I was broke. When I arrived it was a set up. I was offered 2 choices resign or be terminated. It was insinuated that if I resigned, the board would not find out and I could go get another job. They had already notified the board weeks earlier. I had to resign and the Union would do nothing afterwards. At the board the diversion was impossible for me after a couple months with a bed bound wife and special needs kids I had to take too much time to take them medical appoinmentsI. I was tricked out of the program and the Attorney General tried to help me, but could not because our board is punitive in California. We lost everything.

Recently someone called a lawyer for me and he said that we have to complete the grievance process and he thinks he can help me because my Weingarten rights were broken and because of my disability was caused by work and it was a complete change in my behavior. The Union will do nothing ignores my requests. I'm just now getting to the point that I can effectively communicate after 18 months. Please tell everybody about this if I had known and not thought I was broken or falling apart. Even my family was telling me to suck it up, I did. I really did as long as I could. Tell everyone I have sent everyone messages that I know

I sat down and it is 3 hours later. It seems the window to to edit in this forum is short. I will endeavor to make sure the posts are better written. I cant entirely regulate my sleep, but I will wait longer to post. I now work many more hours for far less money. I have to use a phone, this is new to me. If i use the talk to text, there are many mistakes. Likewise for me to see what I am typing on a phone at 50, it becomes so large. I can not see the things I have typed easily.

I am not looking for sympathy or an excuse. I truly want to make sure that this happens very frequently. I had no idea and attended meetings and inservices for nearly 3 decades, if you include my time as a CNA. . Maybe, I was unique. That uniqueness came at a very high cost. Since, I never had any inclination to drink my entire life, I feel justified to conclude that would have continued, barring an event that changed something about me significantly. I will not lie, if someone could point me to someone who could help me legally, I would jump at the chance. I do feel injured. I do not like my life, it is very painful. The other me was happy, adventurous. His kids ran to him, when he came home. The neighbors invited him over often.

When I saw "bored and bread American," I wondered if you were using a phone.

Yes, it helps us as the reader for you to be calm and focused when you post. No one can help you if your posts are incoherent. I'm getting more of the details, but a lot of it, I'm still confused about.

Yes, now I know I can fix post for very long. I will be making fewer posts. I need a real computer, I will abbreviate it, I had way too many emotions the forst time. 6 years of hell and it is evidently well know outside of nursing, that we get this. I am not stupid, I love to learn and picked up 2 degree on the side just to learn. Sadly, the related jobs will still see my licence, when they check on me. Nursing gave me this,and I will not only have it, I will have greatly diminished earning power. I passed my series 7 last year after this, even in extreme anxiety, I did very well. I then learned, I would not be allowed to use it. I can only sue for workers comp and no one will even talk to me anyway, I say alcohol even a little and I am out the door. PTSD causes many to use things. I would not have otherwise. I was the senior nurse on my shift. I was respected. How is this fair. I had a good gob, a house and retirement all set up, I have none of that now. I want to make sure no one else has this happen. Don't think it could not. I have no mental history beyond ADHD. I controlled that well. I thought I would never, but I did

In should add., I documented everything. I had enough proof, that the Attorney General after my psych eval and with the unimpaired level, Removed substance abuse and alcohol from the complaint. I think I was the first ever he said. It only list mental condition. He tried to help. The investigation showed as I told you. I was a good nurse, who tried to numb himself but not affect work and the confirmed the harassment, He said with any other board, he could have done more.

Some Nurses are so judgmental and vindictive

I'm sorry you feel so stressed. There are a few things that really stand out for me. You stated that you were a good nurse which implies you have some knowledge that you no longer are. The stream of conciousness in your posts is leading to confuse myself and a couple of other people here. As a nurse, clear communication is a must. In addition, we all know that alcohol in nearly any amount affects cognition, reflexes and reaction time. That said, it sounds like a terrible mess and I hope you come out of it better than before! Good luck.

Yes, but do benzodiazepines have any less effect. I was told to take those This never stops, I dont think people understand that. In my department you don't ask for help. I was in an investigation foe weeks. I followed doctors orders and medicaid guidelines. The family wanted a babysitter for a semi violent and mobile Alzheimers parent. I was told I could lose my job. 2 years later, he was very much alive. The family complained that was all. There was a study as I said, most environments for nurses are similar and the worst seen for being able to come forward. I dont understand how that is not understood. This has gotten worse over last 0 years in competition for Medicare ranking

Alcohol is about 1 drink per hour, klonopin more than 24 hours, xanax 9 if I remember, That was my logic. I think everyone always ,misses the point, it is not disclosed

Please look at the cause not the result on a small part very common to the disease. The reason, pain so intense that it never stops and you dont think it ever well. An hour seesm lie a huge break. If I were on fore and no way to piut it out, would you fault me for taking a swig? The last Doctor found it to be PTSD. When he wrote his note and found out my employer. He would not write that. He said so. He changed the wording. I now go to other Doctors. The excuse. I have only seen you once.

On 10/14/2019 at 5:40 PM, Messedup101 said:

So I wasn't going to say this. But I'm going to. When you say I'm sorry you're stressed out I already know you don't understand. It's not stress. I'm going to sum it up and try not to answer any more because I've learned a lot from your responses probably more than I was hoping you would learn from mine.

I want you to think about anytime for a few seconds you thought your life was in danger. Car coming at you someone you thought was breaking in I don't know. That is how you we feel and react to any stressor and most of the time, to nothing at all because you make up your own, your brain is convinced it's going to happen ,so you have to be ready. This is neuroplasticity you brain is rewired. It's not stress it's not general anxiety it is an anxiety disorder.

All jobs every job is required to tell you about major safety issues you don't get a job working anywhere where they can't not tell you that something might fall and hit your head that is legitimate and fairly common. A lot of the problem is that many you don't seem to understand the difference between a little stress and PTSD. And I didn't either so I don't blame you. The other part of the problem is the nursing culture that causes so many problems. Almost all of you saw my termination and the alcohol as the issue that I was Raising. Only the attorney general actually went right past that and I don't understand it, most lawyers do the same thing. I never drink oh, I have 30 years of witnesses. This disease is far worse than you know 45 to 50 veterans kill themselves everyday. And the nursing culture which was described as really not conducive to bringing yourself forward and getting care is once again the problem.

Police, firefighters, paramedics all get this and all of them is sued and they now have protection and they now have all the mitigating factors in place to catch it earlier or to reduce the likelihood of it happening. Not only does the public seem to value us less less or think that we are stronger than the other groups , so do nurses. Nurses are known to to either eat their young or each other, I've heard both. We are known to be very divisive and very unforgiving each other. Nursing boards are known to be punitive just Google it. Attorney general told me No Other Board is like it. Stop thinking whose fault is this or that I am weak or a closet alcoholic. When you drink if not to feel good it's the turn off 24 hours of pain 7 days a week that you don't think I ever going to end. Large numbers of nurses are affected but they never come forward because of people like you or management. Don't believe me there was a study and that was a conclusion nursing culture is firmly against people getting help.

I only wanted people to know that this is a risk for every nurse and especially in a few of departments. What happened ,my life was a immediately under a microscope to try to find where my fault was. PTSD and alcohol and drugs go hand in hand for a reason. As a nurse I can't be like them. Even though I quit immediately. In the closet around each of you its average is 1 and 4 nurses are suffering to some degree. My guess is anyone that you think is hypochondriac and HAS been nursing for a while probably has it. That was listed as the number one symptom of hyper-vigilant nurses and other people. As I said in some departments it's well over half or higher. I pray someday that nurses are forgiving enough, to let those people come out and get help without feeling threatened. I do apologize for my grammar but I've lost everything and I have to work all the time because I can only make minimum wage most times. So phones are new to me for doing stuff like this

Yeah, dude, I"m sorry you're hurting but your message is likely lost on most of us reading because it hurts my brain to try to figure out WTH you are trying to say. Skimming it reads like, "they done me wrong" and lack of taking responsibility.

At any rate, I hope you're getting help. PTSD may be a concern but you're not making a very effective spokesman. Good luck.

Your posts are so unclear. It seems like you have said the job caused your PTSD, then other times it seems you are simply criticizing them for not helping you through it, but other times it sounds like you are saying it wasn't even diagnosed until after the fact.

Nurses and managers are not licensed psychologists or psychiatrists; they cannot diagnose mental disorders. It's very hard to understand what caused the PTSD, when it was diagnosed, how it manifested during working hours, whether that was appropriately communicated to management, etc.

I'm sorry you are distressed, but your posts are really incoherent. If you could give us clear, organized information, with good time lines, etc., you might get more responses that are to your liking. As it is, there are enough of us saying we can't understand you that at the very least you should conclude that we are not uncaring, just not able to actually assess the situation with the information given.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU.
16 hours ago, Messedup101 said:

...A lot of the problem is that many you don't seem to understand the difference between a little stress and PTSD...Almost all of you saw my termination and the alcohol as the issue that I was Raising...

First, this post I'm quoting is the most coherent post you've made, although there is still a lot of confusion and misunderstanding. Second, the problem isn't that we don't understand the difference between a little stress and PTSD, the problem is that you are not explaining the situation effectively. Even ignoring the bad grammar, your thought process and timeline is all over the place so we literally have no idea what is going on.

If you would like more feedback that might be helpful, maybe try starting from the beginning and first just saying exactly what happened. It is hard to piece together what happened and when it happened based on your previous posts.

Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CEN, CPEN, TCRN.

Secondary PTSD, vicarious trauma, and compassion fatigue are documented phenomena and occur most often in those of us who work in critical care, the ER, oncology, peds, and behavioral health. There was a great article about this in the Journal of Trauma Nursing a few years ago. We are not lacking in awareness, but your posts are a bit jumbled. Here is what I got: you started having panic attacks, and drank to chase them away. You miscalculated and arrived at work with signs of alcohol on board - at least enough to trigger a breathalyzer. You ended up losing your job, failed out of a monitoring program, and lost your license. Did you take on the board yourself, or did you hire an attorney??

Every job I've had has talked about EAP in orientation, so the help is available and publicized. We talk about critical incident stress debriefings and watching each other's backs in the ED environment. In the military, we know way too much about PTSD, but we veterans don't have exclusive rights there either.

Check out taana.org for nurse attorneys. Best of luck to you in finding your way back to yourself.

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