Seasoned ICU Nurse Lacks Critical Thinking

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Last night shift I worked with 2 of my colleagues one who is one of the units senior staff nurses (SSN). We each have at least 10 yrs experience, she our SSN has about 30 years ICU experience.

we agreed that I would go on break first and our SSN would go last.

I return from break and my colleague goes on break next and gives report on his patients, rooms 7 & 8 to her.

She is notorious for sleeping on the job constantly falls asleep at the desk so when she asks me if she could go to the lounge and take a 15 min break because she is so so tired I shrug and let her go.

The surgical resident then comes by and asks me if I'm covering bed 8, I say no our charge is, but how can I help? He says the patient is more tachycardic and is in pain, could I please medicate him for pain.

As as I go to assess Rm 8 and get some morphine I notice my charge nurse back on the unit, talking with the surgical resident about a medical patient in Rm 7. Curious I go into Rm 7 who looks a bit unstable and the resident asks me to page RT. I go back to desk to page RT (who took forever to come) and then answered a call bell in Rm 3.

I come out of Rm 3 and see my charge nurse sitting down at the desk charting by the tele monitor and apparently the surgical resident went back to the call room. Still curious about bed 7 (who I am technically not covering and know nothing about but hey we're here for every patient ) I ask her what's going on with the patient and she just shrugs and say she doesn't know what wrong with him and let's wait for RT.

I begin to worry and look at Rm 7 on telemetry and his pulse oximeter says 80 and he's still tachycardic to 120s-140s. I go to room and talk to patient asking him if he feels worse, he nods yes, he is diaphoretic, and is using accessory muscles to breath and is also grunting and sounds wet. I immediately increase his fio2 on his high flow to 100 and tell my charge that his saturation is now 75% and that I'm going to page the medical resident who is assigned to him immediately. I speak to the resident and tell him that the patient seems to be deteriorating and will need intubation.

Internal medicine intern comes to unit (with RT running behind him) and debates putting patient on biPap and wants an abg first and I tell him that patient needs imminent intubation, biPap will not help. Back and forth debating with intern while my charge nurse just stands there. Intern decides he wants his seniors opinion. Senior comes to floor and patient ends up intubated within 5 min. I was so irritated at my charge nurse.. how are you here with 30 years ICU experience and leave a deteriorating patient, not call the covering MD and just shrug it off? Couldn't she see the patient was in distress???

This is not the first time she has shown lack of skill or expertise. I had a code recently and she had no clue how to fill out the code sheet and was asking me what to write???

She once had a patient with a subdural hematoma, consistent systolic BP in 200s on nicardipine running at only 2.5 mg!(starting dose) because she didn't know that cardene was a titratable drug. I had to titrate it myself.

She had another extremely critical patient who coded and she was not ready...no defib pads on patient, I ran the code on her patient while she stood by watching. She freezes in code situations.

I feel so unsure now with her covering my patients . I've worked with a lot of awesome nurses with differing amounts of experience but c'mon after 25/30 years how does one still struggle like this? She's a lovely woman but this is so unsafe.

I have worked in this icu for 2 years and she has always been like this. The culture of my facility is very lax and people just cover things up until something happens.

At first I thought maybe she was working multiple jobs or had little kids but she doesn't have multiple jobs and her son is a pre-teen??

I thought perhaps she is diverting as well but i don't know but I believe she's either on some medication that makes her sleepy or she perhaps she has a disorder like some have stated.

I have spoken to my manager about the work ethic of a nurse without naming names out of months of concern, he kind of shrugged it off eluding to the that some just have better experience than others??? But that he understands my concern.

For now I'm just keeping a paper trail of everything.

Specializes in Oncology.
Time isn't a cure for incompetence.

So, you work with Sleepy and Dopey. Any of the other dwarfs work there?

Other than Doc.

Being an ICU I'm sure they get their share of Sneezy and every unit needs a Grumpy.

Lol yes I guess you are right time isn't a remedy for incompetence. Still sad.

Time isn't a cure for incompetence.

So, you work with Sleepy and Dopey. Any of the other dwarfs work there?

Other than Doc.

Specializes in Hospice.

Work ethics and competence are two related but definitely different things. Perhaps an informal conversation word with your hospital's risk manager would help. It's amazing how fast lax management tightens up when they realize that unsafe nurses = potential patient injury = big malpractice settlements.

It's a shame to have to get adversarial about it. Your description sounds like she's seriously unhappy in her job. Having to force the issue increases the possibility that she'll be treated more roughly than necessary. Not to mention the fallout for anyone doing the forcing.

Still, as Davey pointed out, we are responsible for knowing our own limits and stepping back when they are exceeded. In my case, the solution was to go part time before I got so exhausted that I made a mistake that hurt a patient.

No easy solutions here.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Constantly falling asleep at the desk...any chance she is diverting?

Or caring for an elderly parent with dementia issues? Or a young grandchild? Perhaps she has undiagnosed sleep apnea? Other medical issues? A husband who requires assistance with ADLs or some other reason she cannot sleep during the day? I don't know that I'd jump immediately to diversion, although that is a possibility.

Sleep deprivation will make you psychotic within a week. I imagine that it wouldn't take quite that long for it to interfere with decision-making skills and critical thinking. When I was taking care of my mother (Alzheimer's), I was never able to get even an hour of sleep before Mom would be stuffing rags in the drains and turning on the water, shoveling wood into the woodstove until the stovepipes glowed red or running outside barefoot in only her nightgown -- in Wisconsin in January. By the end of a week, I was hallucinating. I had to be awake during the day to take Mom to her various appointments so she could be evaluated for assisted living, and I was unable to give her doctors a coherent history. I'm a nurse -- that should have been second nature to me.

The fact that the 30-year nurse exhibited no critical thinking skills on the night in question does not mean that she never had them or that she's "lost it." Maybe all it means is that she needs more sleep. It would be a kindness to talk to her before going to management with your suspicions -- whatever those suspicions are.

Specializes in M/S, Pulmonary, Travel, Homecare, Psych..
Constantly falling asleep at the desk...any chance she is diverting?

Yes. I simply can't believe that this nurse's performance would be that bad for thirty years without anyone noticing.

That being said, if the OP's description is anywhere near accurate, she cannot be allowed to continue endangering her patients.

OP, has anything been done so far to address the situation?

Does she have trouble with finding her words? Has she always been this way?

Glad to see I'm not the only one with a problem with the situation described by OP. As Heron said, it's hard to believe this has been the way the ICU nurse was for the past 30 years.

So, I started to think that something new came along that has changed things for them. Right away, I thought "Maybe burn out that lead to diverting.........". That at least would explain the semi-sudden onset of falling asleep at the desk.

But yes, as others have pointed out, there are other explanations too. When I was in trouble and it was affecting my job performance, I was directed to the EAP program. It saved my life. The advantage EAP programs have is: They'll help diagnose what the problem is, whether it be diversion or any of they other things people have mentioned. It's what they do.

So, I started to think that something new came along that has changed things for them. Right away, I thought "Maybe burn out that lead to diverting.........". That at least would explain the semi-sudden onset of falling asleep at the desk.

There is a form of dementia that has certain sleep disturbances resulting in daytime sleepiness as a hallmark sign. That combined with her inability to process input made me think of it right away. The onset is slow and insidious.

You sound like a reasonable person, and this is a well written post with legitimate concerns. Since patient safety is at risk, I would consider an EQVR. Since these are linked to the larger hospital quality department, it may force your managers hand, so to speak. I appreciate her years of service, but I would not want her taking care of me or my loved ones. Every patient deserves and needs an attentive, awake nurse.

Specializes in Med/Surge, Psych, LTC, Home Health.

I really have a hard time believing that there isn't something going

on, other than simply a nurse being incompetent.

This woman has been a nurse 30 years? Has always worked ICU?

Or has she mostly worked in a different area and maybe just ICU

for a couple of years? I've been a nurse a long time but if I went

to a busy ICU I'd likely be tired and "incompetent" too. Seriously.

It's just not in my makeup to work in that environment.

Life outside of work very stressful? Mine has been lately and I

won't lie, it's affecting my work a little bit. I'm working on it...

Like Nurse Beth said... drugs maybe?

There's SOMETHING else going on. This is not a 30 year ICU

nurse who completely has it going on upstairs. Something isn't

right.

"I shrug and let her go." Whatever is going on.. you have been enabling. No way in Hades anybody sleeps while I am busting my hump.

She is not able to fulfill her duties and needs to go. Most facilities have a strict policy regarding sleeping while on duty. If the nursing supervisor does not take action... go up the chain of command. She is a danger to patients.

"I shrug and let her go." Whatever is going on.. you have been enabling. No way in Hades anybody sleeps while I am busting my hump.

She is not able to fulfill her duties and needs to go. Most facilities have a strict policy regarding sleeping while on duty. If the nursing supervisor does not take action... go up the chain of command. She is a danger to patients.

My management actually encourages night nurses to take a 15 minutes nap during the shift because studies have shown (according to them) that this improves outcomes. Now, not a single nurse in my short career thus far has taken a nap during shift because nobody has time for that lol.

Specializes in New Critical care NP, Critical care, Med-surg, LTC.
My management actually encourages night nurses to take a 15 minutes nap during the shift because studies have shown (according to them) that this improves outcomes. Now, not a single nurse in my short career thus far has taken a nap during shift because nobody has time for that lol.

My hospital is pretty strict with making sure nurses get their 30 minute break. If you miss it more than twice it becomes a discipline issue, for the nurse and the charge nurse. Depending on how I'm feeling I sometimes take a lap around the building to get some fresh air, or I take a 27 minute nap. I feel great after either one. I'm fortunate that my facility sees the importance of getting nurses off the floor regularly, I wish every work environment was as committed to ensuring their nurses get proper breaks. It benefits my coworkers and our patients.

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