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  1. All4NursingRN

    Bizarre NP Preceptor Experience!

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  2. All4NursingRN

    Bizarre NP Preceptor Experience!

    Hi thanks for the replies, this is a formal update on the situation. It was a horrible experience and I did go to the clinical placement manager who is also the program director (smh) to ask for a new placement which she refused to give me. This program has notoriously been strapped for preceptors so I stayed in this rotation for nearly 5 months. Nothing changed the preceptor continued to ignore me and not teach me much, even getting agitated with me at some points when I was trying to place the appropriate post op orders and told me that I didn’t make the most of the rotation and that plenty of other students would’ve been happy to take my place. Although I don’t know this woman and it shouldn’t be personal, I think it was somehow. She also seemed like a really miserable person and a few of the nurses told me that her behavior had changed recently and they’ve been reporting her as well. This experience has somewhat traumatized me and I lack confidence with each new clinical rotation but the preceptors I rotated with after were professional and wanted to teach me something. I don’t want to mention the school because that might give me away but it is an very prestigious university in NYC, expensive too so that should point you in a specific direction. Although this school finds your preceptors it has been disastrous with many students getting less than ideal placements to be brief. Not worth the stress honestly.
  3. I was recently speaking with another master's prepared nurse who works in informatics about becoming an Acute Care NP and my experience as an NP student. Her immediate response was "why would you want to do exactly what the physician does for a dramatically reduced salary"? At first I was offended and was really peeved that a nurse would be so unsupportive of advanced practice nursing and gave her the long winded "why advanced practice nursing is awesome speech" but after a few days I gave thought to what she said. In my area (NYC metro) NPs start as low as high $90k (RN start out at the same salary) and may hit maybe $160k at the top of the range, with a few outliers here and there. As a student I have witnessed how much work the acute care NP may contribute to a medical service and have seen the MD being the ''overseer'' on some units with the NP & PA managing quite sick patients and responsible for many emergent procedures such as intubation, central line placements.... Although I love the thought of being so involved in patient care I have wondered if NPs (specifically acute care) will be compensated more by facilities for our ever increasing scope of practice? I was surprised to see some services where the so called "midlevels" entirely manage extremely sick patients and the attending only appears when the patient is deteriorating. I was also at a conference recently where some rural and highly experienced NPs stated that at times they were the only provider in a hospital overnight with maybe an ER doc, or that they managed emergencies on their own or as part of a team of NPs. I'm wondering if this is part of a whole push by hospital executives to use advanced practice nurses as cheaper medical provider for cost savings. This has dramatically altered my outlook as a soon to be graduate. I question if I want to be a ''forever resident'' performing all the scut work on the unit while only being payed a small fraction of what the attending (who seem to have the last say in regards to patient management) makes. Acute care NPs diagnosing, managing, and running emergencies, also having to have the knowledge of a full fledged physician to only make 30-40% of what the attending makes sounds a bit troublesome to me. I still love the nursing profession, it's been my career home for 15 years but I do wonder if this is setting up to be a catch 22 with the corporate hospital system reaping massive benefits off of cheaper labor? With the push for more autonomy and scope, will our salaries commensurate? Just me theory.... what do you think?
  4. All4NursingRN

    Bizarre NP Preceptor Experience!

    This is an acute care program in NYC, fairly well known. I’ll fill in more when the semester is over.
  5. All4NursingRN

    Bizarre NP Preceptor Experience!

    Hey all! It seems my preceptor doesn’t want me... long but good! So I’m going into my last 2 semesters of an acute care program. This summer I have my first clinical rotation and I landed my dream rotation right off bat... cardio thoracic ICU at a world renowned institution. My school matches students with preceptors and since I work nights I was matched with an NP in CTICU nights. I contact her via email and we arrange our first night, she seems nice over email. I was extremely nervous and super excited for this rotation... I was literally beaming as I walked through the doors as I love cardiology and critical care. So I show up, knock on the door of the office, she opens the door and I explain that I’m all4nursingrn from x school. I’m on time but it seems she had started sign out with the day NP already. That’s fine. So I walk in the room, she continues talking with her colleague and I stand there looking for a place to put my stuff down ... when she finally swings around says oh yeah you can put your stuff anywhere it’s just us and another NP tonite. She turns back and keeps talking to her colleague. I put my bag down, grab a chair and just sit there unsure of what to do trying to follow along with sign out. She then turns to me and says check the printer for the H&P sheets she just printed. She prints out the H&Ps of our 6 patients for the night and then asked me how I wanna do this. In her words “like do you want to shadow me for a day and then see patients on your own for the rest.. or ??” I mention again (as I did in the initial email) that this was my first rotation and that I have no CTICU only SICU/MICU experience and that I was willing to do things however she liked. I find her question and disposition a bit odd but I sit there waiting for us to start our night while she is venting with another NP over how much they dislike some of the other NPs and providers. Awkward. She then motions for us to leave the room and start rounds and were walking towards the nurses station. As I try to hold back my sheer excitement over getting my dream rotation...I casually ask her some general questions about the unit and patient population as she doesn’t really say, explain, or introduce me to much about anything. I just wanted a general introduction to the unit as I wasn’t given any information other than her name, email address and the service she was on by my instructor. She vaguely answers my questions. She then sits at the desk in the nurses station... talks and laughs with the nurses and the attending then and starts looking stuff up on the computer, doesn’t say much to me, doesn’t introduce me to anyone except the attending as he’s walking away... go figure..smh and also doesn’t tell me her plan for the night. I also log in to epic (which I’ve never used) and just try to mimic what she’s doing because honestly she’s not saying much to me. She gets up without warning and walks off, I jump up and just trail her everywhere she goes... she rounds with the nurses, laughs and greets coworkers in the hallway but doesn’t give me much attention. I casually questions and honestly I’m so overwhelmed by the complexity of the surgeries and just how different they do things at that hospital it’s hard for me to follow along without her explaining things to me. Patient after patient she rounds.. me trailing behind her, she asks me nothing, explains nothing ,doesn’t even really talk to me much but I’m still trying to squeeze in a question or two because it’s becoming so awkward. The nurses and patients are staring at me like who is this??... before I could introduce myself to the patient she starts talking to them. I just feel awkward. She looks up a chest X-ray of a patient that just got out the OR post a mitral valve repair, she sees one of the attending in the hallway and runs a portable computer over to him to check the X-ray out. They’re both blocking the computer so I struggle to see what she’s showing him. They confirm that it’s a pneumothorax, she then goes in the room and adjusts the patients vent settings, talks to the nurse then walks out, me of course running behind her because she’s just running from room to room, again barely interacting with me. She explains nothing. I tell her that I’d like to learn how to read X-rays and ask her how she determined the pneumothorax, she quickly pulls it up the X-ray again but doesn’t give a very clear or thorough explanation of why she thought it was a pneumothorax or what she would do to manage it. This scenario repeats itself for the next 3 hours as she rounds, she goes in the rooms, talks or examines the patient. I trail her closely but she isn’t interacting with me at all. She discusses the patient with the nurses, plays with the lines, vents and then just walks out while I’m attempting to assess the patient (I’m just trying to mimic what she’s doing) so I drop everything and go running behind her again. After we’re done rounding we go back to the call room and she like ok so are you ready to go? Confused... I’m like well it’s only 11pm and I have a few questions and some stuff I’d like to go over. She then says “oh most students just want to leave early, I’ll sign you off for the entire night”. I politely tell her that I also work nights so I don’t mind staying as much of the shift as possible. She seems like she doesn’t want me to stay for long, so I ask her a few questions about the patients and their surgeries, she suggests a book I should use and I pick up my bags, thank her and tell her I’d see her Wednesday. I come back Wednesday, still excited. But same scenario, she’s very detached, vague when answering questions. At this point I’m pretty much doing all the talking because she’s either talking to her colleagues or on the computer checking patient stuff. She interacts a little but not very much. She asks me if I had questions, I told her I had a ton but she doesn’t seem interested in reviewing a whole lot with me. I was honestly fighting back tears during rounds and in the call room. She randomly asks one of the PAs if he wants to share a student which I take is her way of saying she doesn’t want me. Again she suggests we wrap up the night early. I go home after 4 hours. Honestly I fought back the urge to grab my stuff and leave earlier on. I have another 8+ shifts with her as we were instructed that we may keep the same preceptor through the fall before we are assigned a new service. I don’t want to complain as A. My first preceptor I was matched with fell through (she couldn’t be contacted) so my instructor had to find me a new site and preceptor at the last minute. B) this is my dream rotation. C). She has to give me grade of pass/fail for clinical. As an unrelated note it’s even more awkward because this woman is from the same country as my parents (I picked up on her accent lol) so I thought we would’ve bonded, and thought she could be a great resource-possible mentor as there are very few of us in the specialty and our situations are so similar. We’ve both been RNs for over 10 years and transitioning into advance practice (which I’m so nervous about). I told her I remembered when she came to orientation at our school (she’s a graduate of the same program) to speak with us and she pretended to not remember. I remember her distinctly because of her familiar accent. Ive asked her how comfortable she feels now working as an NP and she says she not really comfortable (read as not confident), I also asked her about how she got the job there to which she was vague... sigh. Im honestly feeling dejected right now. I’m dreading going there and feel as if I’ve failed somehow. I bought a few cardiac surgery books and I’m studying ferociously just so I can appear to be abreast of what’s going on. Not sure if she’s just not wanting to teach, not comfortable enough to teach or doesn’t want me as I student. I plan on going in next time and politely asking her to slow down and explain things to me and ask if we could spend some time reviewing the patient plan she assigned me for tricuspid repair (well that was one thing she gave me to do.. homework) I doubt she’ll remember to review it with me though. any advice? It’s awkward and bizarre. She doesn’t have to take a student, it’s purely optional.
  6. All4NursingRN

    Bizarre Co-Worker Rant!

    Too scared too, she might wreck the place if we do.
  7. All4NursingRN

    Bizarre Co-Worker Rant!

    Regarding the levophed we work in an ICU and that day pharmacy had mix an extra bag of levophed as the patient was on a high dose and running through the bag in a short period of time. She had an additional bag she did not need and I needed a bag stat on my patient. We even mix our oven levophed in times of emergencies when someone goes hypotensive suddenly and can not wait for pharmacy to send it up. We stock 8mg vials on unit for this reason. Not strange lol.
  8. All4NursingRN

    Trouble for taking Doctors candy

    Yep sound like a kiss bottom nurse administrator or manager that's peeved at the medicine Gods having their gifts stolen... and I thought my workplace was full of odd balls... sad lol
  9. All4NursingRN

    Bizarre Co-Worker Rant!

    Funny and really odd that you say this because like I said she makes some unsavory comments at times, one in particular directed at an administrator that I will not even repeat here, but she said it at the nurses station and I'm sure I wasn't the only one that heard what she said... yikes!
  10. All4NursingRN

    Bizarre Co-Worker Rant!

    *shrug* I've worked at a few places and while most are informal, some still are. But apparently we're not being formal enough and she wants to give out write ups for this (as if she has any authority to write up a fellow RN)
  11. All4NursingRN

    Bizarre Co-Worker Rant!

    We currently have had a very seasoned nurse on our cc float team for the past year who transferred from endoscopy back to the units (tele/icu float). She is a knowledgeable nurse, a bit rough around the edges (potty mouth, bossy, and a bit know it all ish) but is funny and quite helpful on the unit. Just... one... thing She seems to have a very odd albeit respected hang up about how to be addressed. So she has a first and last name which both are typically used as first names (for example: Sarah,Kelly, or John, Michael, you get what I'm saying) Our unit/hospital culture is semi-formal. We address one another mostly by last name as Ms or Mr. so and so but sometimes we also use first names or just call one another by last name without using Ms or Mr. Well this nurse has a major Hangup about being called her last name without saying Ms. first ??? I believe because she basically has two first names some may have accidentally mixed up her first and last name and called her Kelly, thinking it is her first name as we don't work with her often because she is not regular unit staff. It doesn't happen often as like I said we are pretty formal with addressing one another. She also doesnt make it clear that calling her "Kelly" is offensive somehow to her and so when someone makes the mistake of calling her so, she gets loud and angry and we've witnessed her saying verbatim "that is disrespectful and low class to call me "Kelly" my name is Ms. Kelly!!!!!!! So I worked with her recently and we were having a pretty good night (her making jokes and telling her usual stories as most pts were thankfully stable) up until I called to her from down the hall asking for a spare bag of levophed she said I could borrow. I said Ms. Kelly could I borrow that bag of levophed?. I guess she didn't hear the "Ms" part and reached in her med cart, slammed it shut and handed me the bag of medication while turning bright red and stuttering that she would write the next person up who referred to her as "Kelly" instead of Ms. Kelly??? and stormed off. It all happened so fast before I even could figure what had happened she had picked herself up and sat at the opposite end of the nurses station and then disappeared to the tele side of the floor for a few minutes and refused to speak to me for the rest of the shift. It it was so bizarre I had no clue what to do? I've heard her blow up about this before and am very careful to say "Ms." before her last name, but this is borderline ridiculous. She is upset that people can't read her mind and are calling her by her actual last name??? She says it's not classy to refer to her without the "Ms." yet she doesn't hesitate to use profanity when telling her stories or expressing herself and has made unsavory comments routinely. In fact she has had it out with the ADON numerous times even hanging up the phone on her over a policy issues, openly calling the manager an idiot, and being a know it all. I'm honestly nervous to work with her because of how easily angered she became that night. I've never heard of anyone in this day and age demand ppl be so formal with them (outside the usual reasons) esp with her being quite informal and brash herself. How bizarre and is the name Kelly offensive? Idk
  12. All4NursingRN

    Staff Nurses Who Refuse To Precept Or Teach?

    Oh my what a Pandora's box I have opened. Then I wonder what if no one on a unit wants to precept and this I ask speaking from experience. Two years ago every nurse the manager approached refused to precept so she had to mandate someone... oh boy what do you think of that then? Well I'm thankful for those who precepted me way back when, whether they felt like it or not at least they were professional enough not to let it show and exercise patience and I'm sure with me under their wing it wasn't that bad at all (as that I was released from orientation early as a new grad working trauma, yes I am bragging) It's just precepting it isn't the end of your nursing career, I'm sure most of you aren't approached to precept a new nurse every 6 weeks like my current job (our turnover is horrendous) and goodness $1/hr extra for precepting, what a joke!
  13. All4NursingRN

    Staff Nurses Who Refuse To Precept Or Teach?

    The colleague I referred her to is not the same one who refused to precept. That was a different nurse.
  14. Of course I understand that not everyone wants to be a teacher or professor but a few of my coworkers lately have down right refused to precept or even be a resource to newer or less experienced nurses. The education department had placed a sign up sheet for preceptor training courses and one of my colleagues very adamantly professed her disdain for teaching or precepting and that it "just wasn't in her to teach". ok fine, but IMO it sounded a bit condescending and selfish of one to refuse to share nursing knowledge. She does everything to get out of precepting or cross training nurses. Seems unprofessional to me. I was giving bedside report to a MICU RN who recently transferred to the SICU and the patient was a postop neurosurgery case with an EVD and ICP monitoring. I gave her an overview of what the drain was, how to manage it and transduce for IC pressures. I then told her to refer to Ms. Senior RN who is real good with neuro for any questions after I left. I then spoke to Ms. Senior RN and told her that I endorsed an EVD/ICP monitoring to Ms. New SICU RN and perhaps she could guide her throughout the shift on the neuro patient, she then promptly rolled her eyes and asked why I had to refer the new SICU RN to her?? (Mind you she is one of the most knowledgeable nurses in our ICU but I've never seen her precepting and she doesn't offer up knowledge freely either) Like really? After almost 12 years of nursing this issue still grinds my gears. We should all be willing to help/guide one another. Sure sometimes I'm not in the mood to teach, or my orientee is not a fast learner or another RN asks for my help when I'm super busy, but either way I roll up my sleeves and get it done because if the shoe was on the other foot (like it has been many times) I would want someones help to guide-teach-assist me. I don't mean to make this medicine vs nursing but physicians are expected to teach and mentor from the time they graduate medical school they are thrust into mentoring those behind them. IMO nursing lags behind with this. Is it because we lack pride in our profession?, or feel like victims that we cannot and often do not embody a leadership mentality? Perhaps its it's just part of the nurses eating their young/lateral violence that is far too prevalent in our profession. On my unit its the same RNs who precept everyone while others flat out refuse and go years without precepting. I love to teach and came to this job with experience and for that reason I've literally been precepting since I came off orientation/probation myself (yes crazy I know) because many nurses just refuse to teach on my unit. Heck when I was new to this facility myself a few years back my assigned preceptor (who didn't realize I was sitting nearby) flat out refused to orient anyone (she later apologized saying it was nothing personal when she realized I was in an earshot of her comment) All nurses should have pride in their work/profession enough to want to share their wealth of knowledge at some level. You may not pursue a masters in nursing education or a PhD but you can still be a resource for you unit and colleagues, that's at least the minimum that should be required of you. *sigh* just venting.
  15. All4NursingRN

    Does your administrator have a college degree

    No clue but I'm very interested in how she got the job with no degree. Is she extremely experienced in her role? But still it's very odd. Does she know people?
  16. All4NursingRN

    Manager wants me to alter documentation on expired patient

    By the way I know some had said earlier in this thread that I should never leave the form blank, that is of course true. I looked the form over when I pulled the chart to ensure I didn't leave anything blank and I thankfully hadn't left anything blank. In the last column where final vital signs are written, I wrote verbatim "patient expired before transfusion completed please see RN documentation" the form was otherwise complete.
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