what do you say to friends who want to copy

[direw0lf]

What do you say when a friend and classmate asks to see your answers or papers?

My mom called me a pushover and maybe. One girl, also my friend as in hanging out outside of classes, asked to see my 5 page study guide for a final in our class we had to write. I waited until she told me she did her own, then she asked again to see mine in case she left anything out so I emailed it to her the night before. The next day in final we took out our guides and the teacher checked them all over, and I found out that she had copied mine exactly. She told the teacher we worked on it together before I could open my mouth, and the teacher said "that was smart" and was fine so I just didn't say anything when maybe I should have I don't know. The teacher had already seen mine first. This friend is a good friend.

And other examples were just other friends asking for my homework or lab answers and reports. I mean it seems wrong to say no to a friend but???? I tried to help explain the answer to them instead but I didn't always have time (or even know how to sometimes). I gave answers in the beginning but then I felt used by the end of the semester, by my own fault. Maybe this is just what you do though.. share answers? I wasn't a good student in high school so never had this problem before of people wanting my work!

Just wondering how you guys respond to friends who ask for your work. Thank you.

[ixchel]

I wouldn't say NO! Cuz I'm just not that type of a person. But this "friend" of yours who put you down - I'd say NO to her for anything she asks and if she asked me Why? I'd tell her cuz she put me down. I never mind when others copy as long as I don't get in trouble. Be careful!

When you get busted for letting others copy, you WILL and SHOULD be dismissed from your program and probably your school.

[htown]

it's hard to say no to people's faces sometime the best way to say it would be "you bring your study guide and I'll bring mine and let's work together in the library. " that way you don't have to say no and the person doesn't just use your study guide. another great way is working on a Google doc together

[EternalFeather]

Stop sharing your work!

If they're in the same major as you, be even more careful.

Nursing school is really competitive. You don't want people who can not do their own work to become nurses.

And there's a high chance, they'll sabotage your progress so that you'd have slim to none chances of getting accepted to nursing school.

Yes, some people actually sabotage each other in order to secure a seat in their nursing school that they'll apply to. Especially if it's very competitive.

You need to look out for yourself. Stop being weak.

[DrKim]

Friends don't take advantage of each other. Next time, let your answer be a firm "no." Plagerism or cheating are foolish reasons to be expelled from a program you worked so hard to get accepted to...

[Laura_G_in_ID]

I had someone do this to me in an elective class. It was the end of the semester and in our music appreciation class she hadn't attended a concert and wanted me to tell her about a concert that I attended so she could write her report on *my* notes of a concert *I* attended. I flatly told her I wouldn't do that, but she could accompany me and my friend to a nursing home for a little performance/prayer thingy we were doing there and see if the teacher would allow it as a concert attendance. She did it, the teacher accepted it, and all was well. She didn't think any less of me. In fact, I think she appreciated my help and respected me for NOT giving her an easy report to copy.

Another student in my Spanish for Healthcare class and I helped each other a great deal through the semester. We spent a lot of time in the language lab at the tutoring center, and we would help one another through all of it. It was a mutual give and take, and both of us put in individual effort before asking the other for help.

A *friend* of mine met me in math class and so the next semester she signed up for ALL the same classes as me, because suddenly we were BFF. Really? Do real adults even use BFF or "bestie" as a description of their friends? Okay... So she signed up for all my classes, and fell behind the first week. I stayed up late at her house helping her get caught up, and thought if she keeps working on it, she'll catch up and be fine. The second week was the last week she attended any classes. When the last day to withdraw came around, I reminded her to withdraw from school, and she did. I think she was in school because she wanted the federal grant money in excess of her tuition to help pay her house payment. I think she took the same classes as me so that we could *study* together, but really, she was too distracted by her phone to get any actual studying done. I think she expected I would cheat, but I didn't and she had to withdraw. It's not my problem, and I don't feel like a bad person for not helping her more. I can't carry another person on my shoulders through school. Can't and won't! In the end, she respected my boundaries, because I had integrity.

In your situation, OP, any requests for help need to be considered with integrity. If the professor could see what you were doing, would you still be doing it? If yes, then it's okay. If no, then you know it's not right and equates to academic dishonesty. If you get caught, it could mean the end of your formal education.

[ixchel]

When the last day to withdraw came around, I reminded her to withdraw from school, and she did. I think she was in school because she wanted the federal grant money in excess of her tuition to help pay her house payment.

I believe the government is wising up to this. My understanding is instructors are required to turn in attendance sheets to tract this sort of thing. I'm not sure there are really any penalties for it. I think they just lose eligibility for aid in the future. The people who do this are called "Pell Runners".

[Rocknurse, MSN, APRN, NP]

Not only will you be expelled from the program, you'll also have almost zero chance of ever getting into another school so thank your friend now for a life of poverty and unrealized potential because what you're doing is allowing her to ruin your life. And just when you are at your lowest point after being kicked out of school, your so-called friend will turn her back on you and latch onto someone else. Don't feel bad, don't feel guilty, and don't feel the need to explain. You look her in the eye and say "I'm sorry, I can't do that. You have to do your own work". If she cannot grasp why then she has no business being in school because she must be a special kind of stupid. You owe no one except yourself, and by participating in her cheating, you are selling yourself very short.

[JustBeachyNurse, LPN]

I believe the government is wising up to this. My understanding is instructors are required to turn in attendance sheets to tract this sort of thing. I'm not sure there are really any penalties for it. I think they just lose eligibility for aid in the future. The people who do this are called "Pell Runners".

They have to repay any monies received, including loans, if they do not complete the semester as a full time student. There are interest & penalties as well as a potential bar from future aid. In addition they may be taxed on grant monies used for non school expenses. Not worth it

[2nurse2teach]

Oh, my. I had no idea anyone had looked at my post :)! Study groups are different. Working together to help each other understand material or prepare for an exam usually enhances learning and would not be considered cheating unless you are sharing information on an assignment that is meant to be completed independently.

[ixchel]

They have to repay any monies received, including loans, if they do not complete the semester as a full time student. There are interest & penalties as well as a potential bar from future aid. In addition they may be taxed on grant monies used for non school expenses. Not worth it

Perhaps this is a state to state thing? As of 4-6 years ago, the community college I did my pre-reqs at did not require any payback at all if you continued to attend until after the date during which withdrawing from school/classes would give the student a refund.

So - let's say the following schedule is true at Just Beachy University. (You'll have students who pay tuition and you'll have students who get enough aid/scholarships, they'll get money refunded to them.)

August 21st - grants, loans and scholarships are applied to students' accounts, refunds given to students

August 28th - first day of class

September 3rd - last day to drop classes and get full refund of money paid to the school by the student (if a bill had actually been paid by the student).

September 17th - last day to drop and receive refund 75% of money paid to the school

September 31st - last day to drop with 50% refund

October 14th - last day to drop and get 25% refund

October 31st - last day to drop any classes, no refund will be given, and last day to drop and get W on transcript

So, with that schedule in place, if the student who received a refund from scholarships and aid drops out after October 31st, they will owe the school nothing, nor would the school owe anything to the student.

At that school I went to, the penalty (if you could call it that) was that if you ever go back to that school and if you want to be considered for aid, you have to submit an appeal if your applications for readmit or aid were rejected.

[JustBeachyNurse, LPN]

Perhaps this is a state to state thing? As of 4-6 years ago, the community college I did my pre-reqs at did not require any payback at all if you continued to attend until after the date during which withdrawing from school/classes would give the student a refund.

So - let's say the following schedule is true at Just Beachy University. (You'll have students who pay tuition and you'll have students who get enough aid/scholarships, they'll get money refunded to them.)

August 21st - grants, loans and scholarships are applied to students' accounts, refunds given to students

August 28th - first day of class

September 3rd - last day to drop classes and get full refund of money paid to the school by the student (if a bill had actually been paid by the student).

September 17th - last day to drop and receive refund 75% of money paid to the school

September 31st - last day to drop with 50% refund

October 14th - last day to drop and get 25% refund

October 31st - last day to drop any classes, no refund will be given, and last day to drop and get W on transcript

So, with that schedule in place, if the student who received a refund from scholarships and aid drops out after October 31st, they will owe the school nothing, nor would the school owe anything to the student.

At that school I went to, the penalty (if you could call it that) was that if you ever go back to that school and if you want to be considered for aid, you have to submit an appeal if your applications for readmit or aid were rejected.

Not referring to refunds of overpayment. Most financial aid is based upon being a full time student (12+ credit hours). If you had 18 credits and drop to 14 at any point it's a non issue.

If you drop to 11 credits or less you are a part time student and your financial aid reward will be adjusted to reflect part time status (reduced). So if tuition was $10,000, you received $10,000 in grants and loans based upon financial need as a full time student. The last day to withdraw with a partial refund is 2nd week of school. 2nd week, 1 day you get a W but no refund and you drop to part time credits. You still owe $10,000 but your aide was reduced to $7,500 for a part time student. You must now pay back $2,500 aide you were not entitled to once you became part time

[BeachsideRN, ASN]

Perhaps this is a state to state thing? As of 4-6 years ago, the community college I did my pre-reqs at did not require any payback at all if you continued to attend until after the date during which withdrawing from school/classes would give the student a refund.

So - let's say the following schedule is true at Just Beachy University. (You'll have students who pay tuition and you'll have students who get enough aid/scholarships, they'll get money refunded to them.)

August 21st - grants, loans and scholarships are applied to students' accounts, refunds given to students

August 28th - first day of class

September 3rd - last day to drop classes and get full refund of money paid to the school by the student (if a bill had actually been paid by the student).

September 17th - last day to drop and receive refund 75% of money paid to the school

September 31st - last day to drop with 50% refund

October 14th - last day to drop and get 25% refund

October 31st - last day to drop any classes, no refund will be given, and last day to drop and get W on transcript

So, with that schedule in place, if the student who received a refund from scholarships and aid drops out after October 31st, they will owe the school nothing, nor would the school owe anything to the student.

At that school I went to, the penalty (if you could call it that) was that if you ever go back to that school and if you want to be considered for aid, you have to submit an appeal if your applications for readmit or aid were rejected.

Not sure about grants but if this student drops out Nov 1 and received federal loans, their loan payments become due starting Nov 2 since they have forfeited the grace period.