Roe v. Wade abandoned by Supreme Court

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade-eliminates-constitutional-right-to-abortion-11656080124

I guess even if some people end up going to jail over Trump's shenanigans the conservatives have won their long-sought prize and they will consider it worth the cost. 

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From the Pew Trust Organization, an article that describes 2 Republican politicians that equate IUDs and Plan B contraceptives as abortifacents: 

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control

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They were going after specific forms of birth control as well, notably, emergency contraceptives, often sold under the brand name Plan B, and intrauterine devices, known as IUDs. GOP lawmakers tried to stop Missouri’s Medicaid agency from paying for those forms of contraception.

Missouri state Sen. Paul Wieland, one of the Republicans who led that effort, explained his position this way: “The bottom line is there is only one time something definitively happens and that’s the moment of conception. Once that happens, anything that happens should not be state funded.”

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This month, Idaho state Rep. Brent Crane, Republican chair of the powerful House State Affairs Committee, said he would hold hearings on legislation banning emergency contraceptives and possibly IUDs as well.

 

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5 hours ago, heron said:

Still waiting for an actual person’s quote in favor of this. So far it seems that the truthfulness of this assertion is on a par with the so-called “Crisis Pregnancy Centers”.

Actually, Stacey Abrams the old original  election result  denier,  wouldn't say on Fox last night. Only that it is a choice between  Dr and the woman. For abortion at any stage. 

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10 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Actually, Stacey Abrams the old original resultl election denier wouldn't say on Fox last night. Only that it is a choice between their Dr and the woman. 

There have been folks right here who say the same.  

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3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

From the Pew Trust Organization, an article that describes 2 Republican politicians that equate IUDs and Plan B contraceptives as abortifacents: 

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control

 

Sounds like a bunch of right wing extremists.  They should go fight it out with the far left extremists that condone abortion at any stage of pregnancy. It would be fun. Perhaps they can air it on every major news Chanel during primetime? 

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4 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Actually, Stacey Abrams the old original  election result  denier,  wouldn't say on Fox last night. Only that it is a choice between  Dr and the woman. For abortion at any stage. 

Is it a choice between the patient and the physician to undergo a medical procedure? Yes, it is. Stating that reality is not the same as advocating for something. Surely you can see that.  So, unless you can quote some of Abrams' words which actual you advocate for abortion for any reason at anytime in going to doubt the accuracy of that.  

Give me a break with the original denier silliness.  There is an actual lawsuit in progress regarding the Kemp voter purge before that Governor's race AND Trump was prepared to deny a loss in 2016, talking about rigged elections the Summer and autumn before that election.  

3 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Sounds like a bunch of right wing extremists.  They should go fight it out with the far left extremists that condone abortion at any stage of pregnancy. It would be fun. Perhaps they can air it on every major news Chanel during primetime? 

No... the right wing extremists must fight it out with the moderates and liberals who aren't interested in governance according to religious belief.  Similarly, left wing extremism must battle against the majority in the middle.  Here's the rub, it isn't left wing beliefs elevated on the highest court that just undid what was supposed to be settled precedent on abortion. It isn't left wing zealots rushing to dramatically change what Roe allowed in states across the country. Where do you see this battle been extremists? I just see right wing extremists having negative impact on women in this matter. 

 

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5 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Sounds like a bunch of right wing extremists.  They should go fight it out with the far left extremists that condone abortion at any stage of pregnancy. It would be fun. Perhaps they can air it on every major news Chanel during primetime? 

If they can find them. So far, you haven’t, so it doesn’t look likely.

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50 minutes ago, heron said:

If they can find them. So far, you haven’t, so it doesn’t look likely.

If I understand correctly, you don't believe there should be a legal restriction on abortion.

That woukd mean then you are OK with abortion at any stage. 

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4 hours ago, Beerman said:

If I understand correctly, you don't believe there should be a legal restriction on abortion.

That woukd mean then you are OK with abortion at any stage. 

In your view would that mean that she advocates for aborting at anytime for any reason?  Because accepting that women should make their own reproductive health choices is not the same as advocating for something. 

Let me point out to you once again...many of us trust women to make their own reproductive health choices within the established legal confines, as counseled by health professionals. We believe in autonomy and privacy. Conservative republicans are the ones who are changing the laws to severely restrict or ban access to abortion services. Liberals didn't challenge the laws to make them less restrictive, conservatives challenged them to achieve bans and diminished access. 

What do you think is going to happen in those states which already enjoy embarrassing infant and maternal morbidity and mortality rates after poor and vulnerable women are forced to carry pregnancies to term? Take Mississippi for instance, the state that pushed their anti abortion interests all the way to the SCOTUS. Mississippi lead the nation in  infant mortality and child poverty rates before forcing women to give birth.  How do you think the absence of abortion services might impact these outcomes? Do you think that Mississippi will see their already high child poverty rate climb as poor women are forced to maintain pregnancies that they don't want and can't afford? 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

In your view would that mean that she advocates for aborting at anytime for any reason?  Because accepting that women should make their own reproductive health choices is not the same as advocating for something. 

Let me point out to you once again...many of us trust women to make their own reproductive health choices within the established legal confines, as counseled by health professionals. We believe in autonomy and privacy. Conservative republicans are the ones who are changing the laws to severely restrict or ban access to abortion services. Liberals didn't challenge the laws to make them less restrictive, conservatives challenged them to achieve bans and diminished access. 

What do you think is going to happen in those states which already enjoy embarrassing infant and maternal morbidity and mortality rates after poor and vulnerable women are forced to carry pregnancies to term? Take Mississippi for instance, the state that pushed their anti abortion interests all the way to the SCOTUS. Mississippi lead the nation in  infant mortality and child poverty rates before forcing women to give birth.  How do you think the absence of abortion services might impact these outcomes? Do you think that Mississippi will see their already high child poverty rate climb as poor women are forced to maintain pregnancies that they don't want and can't afford? 

Correct.  We will all have to pay for the social, economic and legal consequences of more unwanted and/or uncared for children in this country for which we are already paying a huge cost.  All those wasted lives in prisons and extreme poverty because of these Bible thumpers.  Just proves again that religion is easy but ethics are hard.

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10 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Is it a choice between the patient and the physician to undergo a medical procedure? Yes, it is. Stating that reality is not the same as advocating for something. Surely you can see that.  So, unless you can quote some of Abrams' words which actual you advocate for abortion for any reason at anytime in going to doubt the accuracy of that.  

Give me a break with the original denier silliness.  There is an actual lawsuit in progress regarding the Kemp voter purge before that Governor's race AND Trump was prepared to deny a loss in 2016, talking about rigged elections the Summer and autumn before that election.  

No... the right wing extremists must fight it out with the moderates and liberals who aren't interested in governance according to religious belief.  Similarly, left wing extremism must battle against the majority in the middle.  Here's the rub, it isn't left wing beliefs elevated on the highest court that just undid what was supposed to be settled precedent on abortion. It isn't left wing zealots rushing to dramatically change what Roe allowed in states across the country. Where do you see this battle been extremists? I just see right wing extremists having negative impact on women in this matter. 

 

It's not the words she says,it's the words she doesn't say. 

No. A woman or a Dr. Should not be able to decide that at a later stage of pregnancy without guidelines that she should terminate her pregnancy. If a baby has a possibility of surviving, it's life Should be saved as well. 

We already understand that early intervention to deliver a baby isn't abortion in the context we are speaking. I had to deliver early 1st pregnancy(I coded from hemorrhage)and had elective c sections 3 times after that. However my babies lives were also saved. The Dr delivered my first early to save my life. This is not what I refere to when I say a woman should not be able to make a decision to terminate her pregnancy at any stage for any reason. And this is not what the conservatives are preventing with abortion with restrictions so do not even make that false claim. 

The resistance to define this is the only thing that separates my opinion from the "democrats" when it comes to abortion. The inability to say that a woman cannot chose to abort in late pregnancy for convenience or where as the baby's life isn't saved as well. 

Like many Americans, if I have to chose between abortion without restrictions or abortions with restrictions, I will chose abortion with restrictions. 

I hear some women are going on a sex strike so that they do not run the risk of a pregnancy they may not be able to abort.......sounds good to me. 

The court did nothing wrong as in process. Morally? That's up for debate. Overturning of Roe isn't taking away abortion outright but placing it within the states where the citizens can vote. It is more democratic in that sense. So make sure you vote!  It will make it harder for some women to access abortion however it was intended to be safe, legal and RARE. 

I would agree that there needs to be more support for parents and children that are born. It's not feasible to restrict abortion but not address the child poverty in this country. 

I'm all about birth control access. It should be 100% free. If we can fund abortions we can fund birthcontrol.  My 16 year old daughter is on birth control and I have faced stark criticism for this. However it is better than the alternative in my opinion. My son is 13,  on his 14 birthday he will be supplied condoms and have a demonstration on how to properly apply one. The good 'ol banana demonstration LOL. The younger 2 will have the same when they turn 14. 

With all due respect TMB, you think that Republicans are "extremist" by default. 

The religion of the Justices is their freedom. The constitution itself says that there will be a separation of church and state. Although their own personal moral may have played a part in the decision, people in this country are free to believe what they wish so a level of bias is unavoidable.  

 

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19 hours ago, heron said:

Still waiting for an actual person’s quote in favor of this. So far it seems that the truthfulness of this assertion is on a par with the so-called “Crisis Pregnancy Centers”.

See Subee and TMB last posts.  They do not believe there should be a  gestational age restriction for abortion.   And, they support abortions for any reason.

So, put all that together, and there ya go.

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27 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

It's not the words she says,it's the words she doesn't say. 

No. A woman or a Dr. Should not be able to decide that at a later stage of pregnancy without guidelines that she should terminate her pregnancy. If a baby has a possibility of surviving, it's life Should be saved as well. 

We already understand that early intervention to deliver a baby isn't abortion in the context we are speaking. I had to deliver early 1st pregnancy(I coded from herrorage)and had elective c sections 3 times after that. However my babies lives were also saved. The Dr delivered my first early to save my life. This is not what I refere to when I say a woman should not be able to make a decision to terminate her pregnancy at any stage for any reason. And this is not what the conservatives are preventing with abortion with restrictions so do not even make that false claim. 

The resistance to define this is the only thing that separates my opinion from the "democrats" when it comes to abortion. The inability to say that a woman cannot chose to abort in late pregnancy for convenience or where as the baby's life isn't saved as well. 

Like many Americans, if I have to chose between abortion without restrictions or abortions with restrictions, I will chose abortion with restrictions. 

I hear some women are going on a sex strike so that they do not run the risk of a pregnancy they may not be able to abort.......sounds good to me. 

 

Words she doesn't say... you sound upset that she didn't say exactly what conservatives wanted her to say... what are the missing words exactly?

You moved the goalposts... we had guidelines for abortion, no liberal tried to eliminate the guidelines relating to abortion. I discuss this issue relative to guidelines, why are you changing the standards?

You keep referencing late term abortions for the mothers convenience and although you've been asked to provide some evidence that this concern is actually an issue, you cannot support it.  In my view that inability to support that inflammatory claim and belief is evidence that you know that it's a right wing fabrication designed to manipulate the emotional response of social conservatives OR you actually believe this bit of forced pregnancy marketing even though you can't find a shred of evidence to support it (credible evidence anyway). But keep pushing this belief of yours that women are seeking late term abortions for convenience after that's been debunked with a data, because it makes it really clear that your personal bias and belief system includes hyperbolic messaging intended to inflame the emotions of the targeted audience.  

Conservatives are banning all abortions in some states while giving some leeway for life of the mother. Your personal anecdote is evidence of nothing beyond your individual experience and understanding. 

Oh... so you think you are going to get to choose how abortions are regulated in your state... you must not live in one of the states with trigger laws in place that took the abortion discussion back to the 19th century law books. 

I bet you think that the notion of a sex strike is funny.  I live in Alaska where many women who don't comply with sexual advances are forcibly raped.  Rape is an issue in lots of conservative states that don't want women to have access to abortions or birth control. 

4 minutes ago, Beerman said:

See Subee and TMB last posts.  They do not believe there should be a  gestational age restriction for abortion.   And, they support abortions for any reason.

So, put all that together, and there ya go.

Sure... please quote my exact words.  Your extrapolated beliefs are not the same as fact. 

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