Roe v. Wade abandoned by Supreme Court

heron, ASN, RN · Jun 28, 2022

7 hours ago, Beerman said:

If I understand correctly, you don't believe there should be a legal restriction on abortion.

That woukd mean then you are OK with abortion at any stage.

This makes no sense. Please explain why the post you quoted means what you claim it does.

Justlookingfornow · Jun 28, 2022

7 minutes ago, Beerman said:

See Subee and TMB last posts. They do not believe there should be a gestational age restriction for abortion. And, they support abortions for any reason.

So, put all that together, and there ya go.

It's because there is a trap democrats have created for themselves. The have allowed radicals to be the loudest voice. It's all or nothing. Women's choice at all cost. Where as this is a noble stance,like everything, it can go too far. Now they cannot say anything out of the bounds of a women's choice. Even when morally disgusting for fear of backlash from extremist.

I have several friends and family that are 100% against abortion. Although I I understand a need for abortions with restrictions. It's funny, I do not recieve any bad treatment by my "Bible thumping friends" the way I do from the "woman's choice" crowd.

Justlookingfornow · Jun 28, 2022

10 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Words she doesn't say... you sound upset that she didn't say exactly what conservatives wanted her to say... what are the missing words exactly?

You moved the goalposts... we had guidelines for abortion, no liberal tried to eliminate the guidelines relating to abortion. I discuss this issue relative to guidelines, why are you changing the standards?

You keep referencing late term abortions for the mothers convenience and although you've been asked to provide some evidence that this concern is actually an issue, you cannot support it. In my view that inability to support that inflammatory claim and belief is evidence that you know that it's a right wing fabrication designed to manipulate the emotional response of social conservatives OR you actually believe this bit of forced pregnancy marketing even though you can't find a shred of evidence to support it (credible evidence anyway). But keep pushing this belief of yours that women are seeking late term abortions for convenience after that's been debunked with a data, because it makes it really clear that your personal bias and belief system includes hyperbolic messaging intended to inflame the emotions of the targeted audience.

Conservatives are banning all abortions in some states while giving some leeway for life of the mother. Your personal anecdote is evidence of nothing beyond your individual experience and understanding.

Oh... so you think you are going to get to choose how abortions are regulated in your state... you must not live in one of the states with trigger laws in place that took the abortion discussion back to the 19th century law books.

I bet you think that the notion of a sex strike is funny. I live in Alaska where many women who don't comply with sexual advances are forcibly raped. Rape is an issue in lots of conservative states that don't want women to have access to abortions or birth control.

Sure... please quote my exact words. Your extrapolated beliefs are not the same as fact.

We have provided references..... . You have not clarified your position.

If there is no cause for late term abortion for convenience, why do you and the majority of democrats not say it? I mean if there is zero chance for this the why not say it?

You say it. Should a woman be able to choose with her Dr in late pregnancy to terminate it and the fetus for any reason at all?

Can women choose to have an abortion for whatever reason any time?

Answer it.

Justlookingfornow · Jun 28, 2022

Should a women with her Dr be able to choose an abortion in later pregnancy for any reason at all ,excluding early delivery for safety?

Let's see who answers this. I predict that there will be no answers just the standard " women's choice" deflection.

Beerman, BSN · Jun 28, 2022

5 minutes ago, heron said:

This makes no sense. Please explain why the post you quoted means what you claim it does.

It would be so easy for you and others to show how I'm wrong. Just tell us under what situations that abortion should not be performed.

But, you won't.

emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B · Jun 28, 2022

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

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What do you think is going to happen in those states which already enjoy embarrassing infant and maternal morbidity and mortality rates after poor and vulnerable women are forced to carry pregnancies to term? Take Mississippi for instance, the state that pushed their anti abortion interests all the way to the SCOTUS. Mississippi lead the nation in infant mortality and child poverty rates before forcing women to give birth. How do you think the absence of abortion services might impact these outcomes? Do you think that Mississippi will see their already high child poverty rate climb as poor women are forced to maintain pregnancies that they don't want and can't afford?

I’m waiting for a rebuttal to this. I guess I’ll be waiting a long time…..

Beerman, BSN · Jun 28, 2022

10 minutes ago, emtb2rn said:

I’m waiting for a rebuttal to this. I guess I’ll be waiting a long time…..

Perhaps we should explore alternative solutions to those issues rather than relying on abortion for convenience.

Justlookingfornow · Jun 28, 2022

23 minutes ago, emtb2rn said:

I’m waiting for a rebuttal to this. I guess I’ll be waiting a long time…..

Perhaps they can allocate funds that they otherwise used for abortions? Nobody is saying that there is not a need to support parents and their children.

Nobody here on the conservative side says there shouldn't be more support for parents and children. There are many programs andvservices already,however,there needs to be more.

Perhaps now that people realize if not just in their states that the access to abortion is not as easily obtained, might provide the initiative to take more preventative precautions?

32 minutes ago, Beerman said:

It would be so easy for you and others to show how I'm wrong. Just tell us under what situations that abortion should not be performed.

But, you won't.

Nope. Play dumb. They will ever answer.

heron, ASN, RN · Jun 28, 2022

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

It would be so easy for you and others to show how I'm wrong. Just tell us under what situations that abortion should not be performed.

But, you won't.

Have done this before, but once again: I favor abortion on demand until the point of extra-uterine viability. After that, only in cases of life-threatening complications or fetal abnormalities that are incompatible with life.

Now, please name an individual or organization that proposes what you’ve misreprented as my opinion.

And the post I quoted still makes no sense.

toomuchbaloney · Jun 28, 2022

2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

It's because there is a trap democrats have created for themselves. The have allowed radicals to be the loudest voice. It's all or nothing. Women's choice at all cost. Where as this is a noble stance,like everything, it can go too far. Now they cannot say anything out of the bounds of a women's choice. Even when morally disgusting for fear of backlash from extremist.

I have several friends and family that are 100% against abortion. Although I I understand a need for abortions with restrictions. It's funny, I do not recieve any bad treatment by my "Bible thumping friends" the way I do from the "woman's choice" crowd.

That projecting is crazy in the modern conservative era of Trump, Gosar, Gohmert, Goetz, Taylor-Green, Boebert, Jordan, Catherine, Giuliani, etc. I guess you haven't noticed those loud voices...

And all or nothing? That's nonsense. Liberals didn't overturn the settled precedent of Roe, conservatives did. It was an all or nothing toss of the law that they could have just fixed (according to Roberts). That's the very definition of an all or nothing approach. That makes your language appear as a projection unless you can provide some factual context to support your feelings and beliefs.

It's so odd that you say you fear people who support reproductive autonomy and choice while it's the forced birth/anti-choice crowd that's bombed clinics, threatened women and shot people over the years.

heron, ASN, RN · Jun 28, 2022

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Perhaps we should explore alternative solutions to those issues rather than relying on abortion for convenience.

Actually, we do, if only to help those women who reject abortion as an option for themselves. Most legislative initiatives have gone down in flames amid feverish assertions about welfare queens and their expensive phones and fingernails, blocked public funding for education, public health, child care, etc., and insistence on abstinence-only sex ED. to name just a few factors. Is it any wonder that many progressives perceive a n ongoing Republican war on the poor?

toomuchbaloney · Jun 28, 2022

2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

We have provided references..... . You have not clarified your position.

If there is no cause for late term abortion for convenience, why do you and the majority of democrats not say it? I mean if there is zero chance for this the why not say it?

You say it. Should a woman be able to choose with her Dr in late pregnancy to terminate it and the fetus for any reason at all?

Can women choose to have an abortion for whatever reason any time?

Answer it.

The previous law did not allow late term or late trimester abortion for convenience. Most abortions are completed prior to viability of the fetus. Late trimester termination procedures are not convenience healthcare.

Women and their health professionals can make these choices without political or religious in interference, they have a right to autonomy and privacy.