Roe v. Wade abandoned by Supreme Court

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade-eliminates-constitutional-right-to-abortion-11656080124

I guess even if some people end up going to jail over Trump's shenanigans the conservatives have won their long-sought prize and they will consider it worth the cost. 

12 hours ago, HiddenAngels said:

I think Subee was generalizing,  not trying to oversimplify. The point being this is about women, the punishment of women.  You may not want to see it that way but this article is a bold show of force of said punishment.  We can argue this case infinite, bottom line is this is about the affects and effects this will have on women. And yes sex is a prerequisite (most of the time)

If it's punishment, why wouldn't they just say so?

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21 minutes ago, Beerman said:

If it's punishment, why wouldn't they just say so?

You, madam, are our new Queen of the non-sequitur..

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10 hours ago, Beerman said:

If it's punishment, why wouldn't they just say so?

Did you really just ask this.

Why would they?

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4 minutes ago, HiddenAngels said:

Did you really just ask this.

Why would they?

You and another poster said their actions are about punishing women.  If the folks on that side of the issue and their supporters are that dispicable, why would they want to hide their agenda.

Whenever my parents punished me, they made sure I knew why.

 

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4 hours ago, HiddenAngels said:

Did you really just ask this.

Why would they?

Yes, she did. It seems she likes to ask the questions and answer none. Respond to that as you will.

Meanwhile, it seems to me that prison, poverty, trauma and death count as punishment. What other motivation would there be?

 

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5 hours ago, Beerman said:

You and another poster said their actions are about punishing women.  If the folks on that side of the issue and their supporters are that dispicable, why would they want to hide their agenda.

Whenever my parents punished me, they made sure I knew why.

 

Beerman I’m sorry but these folks are not your parents. These are people who can wield power, absolute power at that. They don’t ever have to explain why. Their main focus is to pass law and order.  Everyone else has to deal with the consequences.

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21 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Women withholding sex leads to rape and other abuse for too many of them.  

Please note that there was a smiley at the end of my post.  It was not said seriously.  It was only an intimation that countries are better off when their women aren't treated as 2nd class.

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A few points on this. One is that the punt is newsworthy: In recent years, Democrats have declined to state directly what, if any, limits they would put on the right to choose to have an abortion. The second is that their commentary — including Biden’s — has clearly trended leftward. The third is that the party’s position is often oversold as embracing abortion under any circumstances.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/06/biden-ryan-late-abortion/

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Beto O’Rourke came closer to explicitly embracing a no-limits approach, with a spokeswoman telling me, “politicians have no place in these decisions, including these very rare instances

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in answer to Fox News’s question on the subject — “Do you believe a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy up until the moment of birth?” — said that it happens “very, very rarely” but that, “The decision over abortion belongs to a woman and her physician, not the federal government, not the state government and not the local government.”

 

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Why does anyone, Democrat, independent, Republican or governmental body have state what limits they would put on abortion? As per the article above, the reasons for abortion are numerous and too complicated to simply draw a line in the sand. 

I continue to hold that the choice to have an abortion should be between a pregnant person, her healthcare provider, (and spiritual counselor if that is applicable). And if you are against an abortion, don't have one. 

Pundits like to point out politician's stands they held decades ago as them being inconsistent. I think it demonstrates they have evolved. 

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9 hours ago, Della4 said:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/06/biden-ryan-late-abortion/

 

It's unfortunate that you didn't want to risk discussing the quotes that you cited.  I imagine that you believe that you supported the propaganda which says that liberals want no limits on abortion but I think that's you're extrapolation.  Conservatives were the ones who wanted to and did change abortion laws for the country. 

Now what? 

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24 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's unfortunate that you didn't want to risk discussing the quotes that you cited.  I imagine that you believe that you supported the propaganda which says that liberals want no limits on abortion but I think that's you're extrapolation.  Conservatives were the ones who wanted to and did change abortion laws for the country. 

Now what? 

It’s not about discussion - it’s about trying (unsuccessfully) to pwn the libs. I read those quotes and I don’t think they mean what she thinks they mean.

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55 minutes ago, heron said:

It’s not about discussion - it’s about trying (unsuccessfully) to pwn the libs. I read those quotes and I don’t think they mean what she thinks they mean.

I agree.  That is likely why she didn't make any comment herself. 

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