There are so many unemployed new grads out there that pretty soon we are going to be willing to work for minimum wage if things don't change soon. I bet hospitals would be willing to hire lots and lots of us at that price. That might even translate to loss of jobs and decreased wages for those experienced nurses already employed.
You might want to encourage your hospital to give new grads a chance instead of requiring experience for every job posting they have. Maybe be a little more enthusiastic about helping to train them.
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
I'm actually going have to agree with the other poster. We need nurses who are in good shape and are good models of health, not extremely overweight nurses. That's like having a person with rotten teeth be a dentist or someone who hates learning be a teacher.
I'm not saying nurses have to be young, but they do have to fit and capable of doing their job. As for age limits, I wouldn't hire someone over the age of 60.
That's going to come as bad news to the 61 year old new grad in this thread who told us old nurses who were a new grad back in the old days had to support new grads and reminded us the "degree is not free u know".
It's interesting how some new grads say that "nurses eat their young." Yet, quite clearly, senior nurses face as much discrimination. Perhaps something to remember here is the fact that older nurses are a wealth of info to share. I don't know where some of you work, but I work with two nurses in their late 60's who are awesome nurses, AND share the lifting.
One thing I can't stand is all the needless bickering found in this profession. It's one thing if you have a legitimate concern, sure. But seriously, I think some of you might try to find something positive in your co- workers and your workplace. Or quit. We each have the ability to decide how we choose to respond to these situations.
I'm not saying nurses have to be young, but they do have to fit and capable of doing their job. As for age limits, I wouldn't hire someone over the age of 60.
That's going to come as bad news to the 61 year old new grad in this thread who told us old nurses who were a new grad back in the old days had to support new grads and reminded us the "degree is not free u know".
:lol2::lol2: (Not to mention that such a position would be a serious violation of Federal and state employment discrimination law ...)
Everyone throws out these stats... 60K or 40K or 80K or 30K to train a new grad. Where the heck do these numbers come from? I bet it is the same thing in HR. Someone told someone that it costs $X to hire new grads, the groupthink grew, and nobody really is doing true cost/benefit analysis.
Anyone have any hard numbers with citable reliable sources?
Long ago, I actually did a lit search on this topic to respond to a previous thread here. I checked just now and I'm not abke ti retrieve enough of my own posts (go far enough back) to find the info I posted, and I'm too lazy to do another internet search on the topic this evening :) -- but, at that time, I found a number of published articles and research that reported the cost of orienting a new grad nurse (including the nurse's salary for the first year and all the other associated costs) as between $40k and $100k (depending on the specific article/study). The articles were v. specific and concrete about how they arrived at those figures.
Since I'm not posting any specific links (as I said, I'm too lazy to go look for them again), you're welcome to take my word for that or not, as you see fit. But, if you take a look yourself, you'll find that the literature is out there.
it's interesting how some new grads say that "nurses eat their young." yet, quite clearly, senior nurses face as much discrimination. perhaps something to remember here is the fact that older nurses are a wealth of info to share. i don't know where some of you work, but i work with two nurses in their late 60's who are awesome nurses, and share the lifting.
one thing i can't stand is all the needless bickering found in this profession. it's one thing if you have a legitimate concern, sure. but seriously, i think some of you might try to find something positive in your co- workers and your workplace. or quit. we each have the ability to decide how we choose to respond to these situations.
did i not have anything positive to say about them? if you read my posts you would see that i do have positive things to say about htem. but not every 60+ year old nurse is like your 60+ year old nurses. so great for them if they can still do the lifting and what is required of them...but if they cannot do it, then its time to leave.
i don't care if your 20 years old. if you can't do it, then its not the job for you!! the only time i find it acceptable is the nurses who are pregnant, because its temporary. even then sometimes i think its a little ridiculous...like "you can't push a wheelchair? really?" but hey, i understand! but it's not fair to the people who can do it because we are then required to pick up the extra workload for them. i have enough to deal with, i don't need to be doing everything for another nurses patients as well. our hospital goes by "every patient is your patient"-- yes i know that, but i can't take care of every patient in my unit.
Yes I read your posts. You weren't the only one commenting about older nurses and their lifting, etc. So you're assuming what I said was directed at you entirely.
Also, what steps have you taken to try to solve the issue? Have you spoken with the nurse to try to work something out? Or are you just here to complain about them?
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
ok i never said having grandchildren has anything to do with it. but she is 76 years old...and not a healthy 76 year old nurse...
this isnt about you and what you are able to do. that's great you can still do the work, but there are people out there that are not able to do the work anymore. and personally...i think you too are being a little judgmental towards us "young nurses" by stating we bring our smart phones and check facebook alot at work. given i do have a smart phone, but i never bring it on the floor. i'll check my phone on my break or if i have a few minutes down time, but never ever do i just sit there texting/playing on my smart phone.
i don't know anyone on our floor that does...so i don't know what kind of place you work in, but if majority of your young nurses are doing this then maybe its time for a meeting with the manager about this. not professional!
so i appologize if i offended anyone.
after your remarks about old, fat, lazy nurses, you have no business calling anyone judgmental. and being sorry if you offended someone is not the same as being sorry you were offensive.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
i'm actually going have to agree with the other poster. we need nurses who are in good shape and are good models of health, not extremely overweight nurses. that's like having a person with rotten teeth be a dentist or someone who hates learning be a teacher.
i'm not saying nurses have to be young, but they do have to fit and capable of doing their job. as for age limits, i wouldn't hire someone over the age of 60.
please keep this post and refer back to it in twenty years.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
thankyou-finally someone sees my point without jumping all over my back about it!!
i was not in anyway trying to be mean or offend anyone, just simply stating they need to be able to do the tasks that are being asked of them. they need to be able to physically do the same things that i can do. and they are being babied because of their age. if i went into my physical and couldnt lift 50 lbs, then i wouldnt get the job...so why is it ok for them to not be able to do things?
if your argument is that a nurse needs to be physically able to do the job for which she/he was hired, then i agree with you. equating that to age or weight is offensive. no one i know is "babied because of their age". i'm not the one who runs the other way when there is poop to clean up.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
Ok i never said having grandchildren has anything to do with it. But she is 76 years old...and not a healthy 76 year old nurse...
this isnt about you and what you are able to do. That's great you can still do the work, but there are people out there that are not able to do the work anymore. And personally...i think you too are being a little judgmental towards us "young nurses" by stating we bring our smart phones and check facebook alot at work. Given i do have a smart phone, but i NEVER bring it on the floor. I'll check my phone on my break or if i have a few minutes down time, but never ever do i just sit there texting/playing on my smart phone.
I don't know anyone on our floor that does...So i don't know what kind of place you work in, but if majority of your young nurses are doing this then maybe its time for a meeting with the manager about this. Not professional!
So i appologize if i offended anyone.
It isn't in your job description to judge whether these nurses should be working. Stick to what you know and leave the evaluating to management.
I hope someday you learn the value of having older, experienced nurses.
And just for clarification...you shouldn't be referring to yourself as a nurse yet.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
I'm actually going have to agree with the other poster. We need nurses who are in good shape and are good models of health, not extremely overweight nurses. That's like having a person with rotten teeth be a dentist or someone who hates learning be a teacher.
I'm not saying nurses have to be young, but they do have to fit and capable of doing their job. As for age limits, I wouldn't hire someone over the age of 60.
With all due respect, at 19y of age, you really do not have enough life experience to begin to know how to judge whether someone would be a good candidate for a nursing position. You're barely a mature adult. You need some significant experience under your belt before you can take on such a responsible role.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
It's interesting how some new grads say that "nurses eat their young." Yet, quite clearly, senior nurses face as much discrimination. Perhaps something to remember here is the fact that older nurses are a wealth of info to share. I don't know where some of you work, but I work with two nurses in their late 60's who are awesome nurses, AND share the lifting.
One thing I can't stand is all the needless bickering found in this profession. It's one thing if you have a legitimate concern, sure. But seriously, I think some of you might try to find something positive in your co- workers and your workplace. Or quit. We each have the ability to decide how we choose to respond to these situations.
Man, I wish I could "Kudo" this a thousand times over. I'm tempted to start a thread about new nurses eating experienced nurses. What I read here scares me for the future. It's like Lord of the Flies.
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That's going to come as bad news to the 61 year old new grad in this thread who told us old nurses who were a new grad back in the old days had to support new grads and reminded us the "degree is not free u know".