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RNforLongTime specializes in Med-Surg Nursing.

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My hospital is NO PLACE for new grads. There is no formal nursing orientation in place. You'll be assigned to 10 different preceptors...or because they are short staffed, your orientation will get cut short. I came to my current position 5 yrs ago with 4+yrs of solid ICU experience...I got 3 weeks of orientation.

We are getting an experienced RN to work weekend nights! He is getting two weeks orientation and that is it! NOT ANY ON NIGHT SHIFT which is what he will be doing. Our boss wants him oriented to days and the person she's having orient him is one of the WORST people to orient anybody...she has never worked in a true ICU....just ER and L/D. Is unorganized...never gets out of work on time because she piddle farts around all shift long and waits to chart till the end of her shift. There is no differential for precepting someone either.

Administration doesn't give a whit what us staff nurses would like. It takes a LOT of money to train a new grad a LOT!

I was fat(pre gastric bypass) but I still had to lift my patients..who are more like 300-400lbs and total dead weight. I'm sure in another few years I could have a career ending back injury from lifting these patients. My regular night shift coworker already has to get back injections and has a shoulder injury from lifting patients...so Ms Jenni....someday, you will be the old one who can't lift anymore because they are injured.

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for the record - where i work (i'm a cna/second degree nursing student) the ability to lift patients doesn't seem to be based on physical ability or gender at all. it seems to be based on education (oh, wait, i'm more educated than most of our nurses) - so i'll say it seems to be based on education or RANK.

a healthy, educted nurse will stand by and watch a CNA lifting a 400 lb woman with her right hand while wiping her crap with the left. then, just like clockwork, the nurse walks in to deliver meds just as the CNA is taking the glove off.

sorry, but i can't help but by cynical. if this doesn't apply to you then you won't be offended. there are a FEW (and i mean FEW) nurses who will help turn their patients or change their patients - EVEN if they aren't busy. they think it's the CNA's job because why? because the CNA gets paid so well? i got paid better 10 years ago at a fast food joint, for the record. because it's the CNAs job? CNA means what? Certified Nurse ASSISTANT, did you say? So, I'm supposed to break my back lifting this 400 lb. lady because you're so educated you don't know what ASSISTANT means? Like I said, I'm cynical because I'm more educated than most nurses on my floor, but most nurses on my floor think we're there to do "anything I don't want to do" rather than to "assist."

For the record, I have met a couple of nurses who aren't like that. One nurse I know WANTS to gives her own baths bc it creates the perfect opportunity for her to assess. The other is just an active lady who is more interested in working and caring for patients than texting, googling, eating, talking, etc.

just saying.

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RNforLongTime specializes in Med-Surg Nursing.

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because it's the CNAs job? CNA means what? Certified Nurse ASSISTANT, did you say? So, I'm supposed to break my back lifting this 400 lb. lady because you're so educated you don't know what ASSISTANT means? Like I said, I'm cynical because I'm more educated than most nurses on my floor, but most nurses on my floor think we're there to do "anything I don't want to do" rather than to "assist."

Backatit...you seem to have a big chip on your shoulder regarding what is and isn't in your job description. You are a CNA......You do NOT have a license to pass medications, call Dr's, write orders, assess a change in pt condition....I do. Because I am busy doing those things...I would expect that you would be doing things such as performing basic ADL care to the patient because that is something you CAN do. taking care of the patient is EVERYONE's JOB! not just the RN's and not just the CNA's!!

I'm all for nurses helping out their aides but when I have meds to pass on 12 patients....sorry it's not gonna happen....I can do your job...you cannot do mine.

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eriksoln has 15 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.

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Backatit...you seem to have a big chip on your shoulder regarding what is and isn't in your job description. You are a CNA......You do NOT have a license to pass medications, call Dr's, write orders, assess a change in pt condition....I do. Because I am busy doing those things...I would expect that you would be doing things such as performing basic ADL care to the patient because that is something you CAN do. taking care of the patient is EVERYONE's JOB! not just the RN's and not just the CNA's!!

I'm all for nurses helping out their aides but when I have meds to pass on 12 patients....sorry it's not gonna happen....I can do your job...you cannot do mine.

The license is a blessing and a curse though. True, very true, a lot of CNAs talk about teamwork but don't understand that it implies a 2 way street...................and there are just so many tasks we have to do that they are not allowed to "help" with. Its a very limited exchange in regards to the help coming back to us.

With that said though, I take whatever help I can get and do whatever it takes to keep it coming. Where I work, the CNAs don't make all too much, are given TONS of patients and a lot of duties that take them away from the bedside (unit clerks get paid more here, so to cut down on the number of unit clerks they use, CNAs must "stuff charts" all night so that everything is neat and clean for the clerks to focus on orders.................taking the CNA away from the bedside :down:).

As you can imagine, the level of frustration amongst the CNAs in this hospital is EPIC. I'd say, oh.......close to 70% work at whatever pace they choose and do whatever task it is they desire. Don't like their pace or how they do things..............."No problem, I got other patients on the other end of the hall, see ya in a few hours." Some take close to 4 hours to do vitals (28-32 patients) and could care less if you are drowning while they do it. More than a few have let it be known while they are "stuffing charts"........which must get done, its mandated by admin. higher and above the unit manager............they do not answer call lights or "help lift". It can take some CNAs nearly 3 hours to stuff charts. Yep, you got it................4 hours for vitals and 3 to stuff charts then a 45 min. lunch means.........................YOU ARE PRIMARY CARE, like it or not.

Throwing your hands up and saying "Oh well, not gonna happen" leads to responses like the one going on at my hospital. Cause..........guess what........if they do the same to you........"Oh well, I got other things to do too".............you lose, not them. You have a license you have to defend, they don't.

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nursel56 has 25+ years experience and specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

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for the record - where i work (i'm a cna/second degree nursing student) the ability to lift patients doesn't seem to be based on physical ability or gender at all. it seems to be based on education (oh, wait, i'm more educated than most of our nurses) - so i'll say it seems to be based on education or RANK.

a healthy, educted nurse will stand by and watch a CNA lifting a 400 lb woman with her right hand while wiping her crap with the left. then, just like clockwork, the nurse walks in to deliver meds just as the CNA is taking the glove off.

sorry, but i can't help but by cynical. if this doesn't apply to you then you won't be offended. there are a FEW (and i mean FEW) nurses who will help turn their patients or change their patients - EVEN if they aren't busy. they think it's the CNA's job because why? because the CNA gets paid so well? i got paid better 10 years ago at a fast food joint, for the record. because it's the CNAs job? CNA means what? Certified Nurse ASSISTANT, did you say? So, I'm supposed to break my back lifting this 400 lb. lady because you're so educated you don't know what ASSISTANT means? Like I said, I'm cynical because I'm more educated than most nurses on my floor, but most nurses on my floor think we're there to do "anything I don't want to do" rather than to "assist."

For the record, I have met a couple of nurses who aren't like that. One nurse I know WANTS to gives her own baths bc it creates the perfect opportunity for her to assess. The other is just an active lady who is more interested in working and caring for patients than texting, googling, eating, talking, etc.

just saying.

It is frustrating to have people make assumptions about you based on an incomplete picture, such as your level of education. I spent a summer doing go-fer activities for an MD researcher in gero-psych. I spent a fair amount of time up close and personal with the copy machine - I was shocked at the things people said to me, I guess they made assumptions about my level of education. One time I was waiting to copy some stuff as the person ahead finished up and was told "don't you have anything better to do while you're waiting?" :-\ Another time someone tracked me down to tell me to serve coffee and a list of how everybody likes it. My only job was to assist this MD and she wasn't at the meeting. There were times I wanted to laugh out loud, but just know that you will learn so much about how not to be those people and you will always have the feeling of having seen things from the other side so try not to feel so resentful.

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RNforLongTime specializes in Med-Surg Nursing.

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sorry, but i can't help but by cynical. if this doesn't apply to you then you won't be offended. there are a FEW (and i mean FEW) nurses who will help turn their patients or change their patients - EVEN if they aren't busy.

You must work with some lazy nurses. I'm always the one in there changing and turning my patients...have to BEG the CNA to help me.

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Ruby Vee has 40 years experience as a BSN and specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

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old nurses seem to forget that they once were new grad back in the old days. and, they had to look for a job just like today new grad, so you guys have to support us, btw the degree is not free, u know!

walmart is not justify for all the times and hard work we dedicate to the nursing school.

what an offensive post!

 

i guess i qualify as an old nurse -- over fifty and over thirty years as a nurse. i haven't once forgotten what it was like to be a new grad. or to start a new job. that said, "us guys" don't have to support you. the degree may or may not be free, but that's not my problem. i paid for my degree and i paid back my student loans. and now i'm paying for my step-daughter's degree.

 

the world, the nursing profession, the hospital or we "old nurses" don't owe you a thing. get over yourself!

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Ruby Vee has 40 years experience as a BSN and specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

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how can one relocate if i dont have a job to pay for a relocation? i'd love to join the military but you'd be surprised on the disqualifying factors.

the nursing shortage doesn't exist.

i relocated with funds from a minimum wage job -- or two. if you really want a job, you'll go where there are jobs. it doesn't cost as much to relocate if you're willing to do what it takes: live with a roommate instead of getting your own place and moving your own furniture, pare down your belongings before moving, drive yourself rather than fly, rent a uhaul rather than pay a moving company . . . it's possible if you want to. it sounds as if you're just making excuses for not relocating.

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Ruby Vee has 40 years experience as a BSN and specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

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the only thing that really makes me kind of upset is, looking at some of the nurses that are still hired. i can think of 5 that work on my floor that should not be there! yes, they are very experienced. but 4/5 are very very overweight, very lazy, very old (they have grandchildren in nursing school). it's to the point where anytime a patient has to be turned (we turn our patients every 2 hours), they cannot do it. so who ends up doing their physical work and labor? ...the new grads? why??? because we are young and are able to do it.

i often here these nurses "oh i can't walk this patient. i have a bad back and need to take my pills. i have to go sit down for a while and rest" ok..totally understandable you have a bad back-- but its not fair to the patients. not saying these people shouldnt be nurses, just saying that they should be nurses somewhere else where they can do the work. when i got tested for my job, i had to show them that i could lift 50 lbs. i want them to test these nurses for lifting 50 lbs, because its clearly one of the requirments that they cannot fullfill.

while i agree that one ought to be able to do the job for which one is hired, i fail to see what having grandchilddren in nursing school, being old or being overweight has to do with anything. i have a bad back but still manage to do my work.

 

i've yet to see a unit where the young do the work of the older nurses . . . usually it's the other way around! the new grads i work with seem to spend an awful lot of time sitting down staring at their smartphones while those of us "old nurses" who are too out of it to see the point of facebook answer their call lights.

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CrunchRN has 25 years experience as a ADN, RN and specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

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I have been following this thread since its inception and it is amazing!

When I graduated in the early 90's all the hospitals were laying off experienced RN's. I networked my way to a clinic job, a few people went to LTC, several moved to Texas and elsewhere. I guess it really is true about the cycles.

However, since I worked my way through school and compromised with an ADN instead of a BSN I had no debt. not one penny. I think some of this anger comes because people were induced to go to these super expensive programs and have this ton of debt to start paying.

I would never have biatched and moaned like some of these new grads here. It was just the way it was and you sucked it up and dealt with it. Of course at that time they did not have these high proced private nursing mill schools talking us into a ridiculous amount of debt for what is essentially a cyclical blue collar job. I am sure if they didn't have such huge debt they wouldn't have such anger as is evidenced here and such a feeling of despair about their future.

On the one hand I feel very badly for the new grads and on the other hand I thing they were kind of lame to take on the debt they have for a nursing degree.

As to the lifiting, all these young'ns whining about the "old" nurses and their bad backs need to remember that may very well be you in 10 years when you eventually find a job and you are going to need your younger nurses to give you a break too.

Anyway, good luck to all you new grads - I truly hope you all find jobs soon.

:smokin::smokin::smokin:I guess I am just really glad I do not work as an acue care or LTC nurse.

Of course, I now realize that at the age of 48 I am an old crone!:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:

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joanna73 is a BSN, RN and specializes in geriatrics.

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I would like to comment on a few of the previous posts made by CNA's. As a CNA, your work is important and valued. However, CNA's have no business commenting on nursing or the work habits of nurses, IMO, since, you really have no idea just how much nursing requires.

While we are here to help each other, when you notice that a nurse is sitting around, she often has charting, orders, phone orders, etc. Not to mention all of the planning and critical thinking which you DON'T see. Furthermore, the nurse should not have to justify herself to the CNA. Now, some of these CNA's are wonderful. Some are just too much! And what happened to having a little respect for some of these senior nurses?

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Also seems it's needed to point out to CNAs that nobody will see you as anything but a CNA who, is to do the duties of a CNA while employed as a CNA. You will never whine someone into doing your job for you. Nobody cares what your appraisal is unless it is related to you and your own job performance.

Same goes for RNs, NPs, MDs.

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