I am a BSN student taking a nursing theory class at the moment. I was wondering what is everybody's opinion regarding expressing religious believes in nursing theories. Does it offend you to find the word "God" when reading about certain theories. Example : "Persons have mutual relationships with the world and God" (Quote from my theory book re works of Sister Callista Roy)
I am Catholic myself so I do not find such statements offensive...I am just wondering what others think on this topic
I am going to be frank, so hold tight: What you are doing is silly.
Religion isn't a play-ground game about feelings. Honest, respectful, clear, adult conversations about religious truth claims and practices would be much more useful than pretending to respect religions by reducing their metaphysical, moral, and theological claims to mere opinions.
Well, really all religious truth claims are merely opinions. I don't think teachers need to 'respect' religions to discuss them. It sounds more like she is trying to respect the students themselves which, IMHO, is way more important that respecting a religion.
...and as i have stated previously, when an american says that they don't believe in god, it's always the judeo-christian god that they don't believe in!! no one seems concerned about the existance of or theolgy related to thor, buddha, mohammed, shinto ancestors or the sun-god!!
if the god of the bible is such a fantasy, such a fairy tale and myth, why is he the only one atheists and secular humanists have issue with?? surely hearing about god doesn't force anyone to believe, any more than hearing about the menace of global warming according to st. al of gore makes me believe in that
it's because people are tired of hearing that same story. if you can't accept proven facts about global warming but can accept a religion that steals it's name for god, it's rituals, it's stories and it's holiday's from other religions what else can we do. we'd like to ignore you but you are everywhere, all the time.
btw - in america, the shintoists, buddhists, wiccans, muslims, sihks, hindus and people from other religions don't try to consistently push their religion down people's throats. that would be why american atheists have problems with christianity and it's so called god. just something to remember...
Of course this isn't a global warming thread but the evidence is showing that global warming is faith-based.
steph
Evidence from your pastor doesn't count. I am sure it's the same evidence that purports to prove intelligent design. We prefer scientists not paid by Christian and Bush lobby groups around these parts.
...and as i have stated previously, when an american says that they don't believe in god, it's always the judeo-christian god that they don't believe in!! no one seems concerned about the existance of or theolgy related to thor, buddha, mohammed, shinto ancestors or the sun-god!!
well actually, i say i don't believe in any god(s). the fundamentalist christian hears what they want to and assumes i mean specifically theirs. it's a fair assumption, with roughly 83% of the country claiming to be christian, naturally that will be the one most argued about.
there's a famous quote which i will paraphrase because i'm too tired to google. it goes, roughly: "i contend you and i are both atheists. when you understand why you don't believe in the multitude of other deities throughout history, you'll understand why i don't believe in yours". essentially, i merely believe in one less than you.
no one has big long drawn out arguments about the validity or not of thor or ra, for example, because no one believes in thor or ra. they're regarded as mythos indicative of certain time periods in different civilizations. you better believe that if i were on a general discussions forum and some guy was proselytizing to people about how we need to worship ra for our salvation and afterlife, or if someone were arguing that high school science classes should present the story of valhalla and that particular creation mythology i'd be right there debating.
fortunately, that's not the case and that's why nearly all debates in the u.s. are regarding the judeo-christian concept.
if the god of the bible is such a fantasy, such a fairy tale and myth, why is he the only one atheists and secular humanists have issue with??
see above. you don't see atheists and secular humanists taking issue with other mythological concepts, because at least in this society there aren't any or many supporters of other concepts. i'm no more in favor of the hindu creation story than i am of "intelligent design", nor do i think the gilgamesh flood myth is any more valid history (or ethics-- that's another can of worms) than the biblical flood myth, which postdates gilgamesh by at least a thousand years.
surely hearing about god doesn't force anyone to believe, any more than hearing about the menace of global warming according to st. al of gore makes me believe in that
no one cares about hearing about your god. i just don't want my government which the founders made religion-neutral doing the telling about it. not because i can't stand it or it offends me but because it goes directly against what this nation is founded upon.
basically, if your (generalized, not you specifically) faith is so weak you require government reinforcement of it, you should take a moment to reevaluate yourself.
Well, really all religious truth claims are merely opinions. I don't think teachers need to 'respect' religions to discuss them. It sounds more like she is trying to respect the students themselves which, IMHO, is way more important that respecting a religion.
I didn't say that a person has to "respect" all religions. I said an adult conversation about religious truth claims ought to be honest and respectful.
For example, if someone-- hypothetically :-) --says, "All religious truth claims are merely opinions." That person clearly lacks appreciation for what nearly all religious thinkers have claimed: that there *are* things that can be *known* about morals, the soul, our Creator, justice, and redemption. Maybe a person with a more respectful view of religious claims could say, "I don't believe that a person can *know* anything of a religious nature, but Christians and others do actually believe their doctrines to be *true* and not merely matters of opinion."
I didn't say that a person has to "respect" all religions. I said an adult conversation about religious truth claims ought to be honest and respectful.
For example, if someone-- hypothetically :-) --says, "All religious truth claims are merely opinions." That person clearly lacks appreciation for what nearly all religious thinkers have claimed: that there *are* things that can be *known* about morals, the soul, our Creator, justice, and redemption. Maybe a person with a more respectful view of religious claims could say, "I don't believe that a person can *know* anything of a religious nature, but Christians and others do actually believe their doctrines to be *true* and not merely matters of opinion."
That is a very good point - the respect should work both ways.
i didn't say that a person has to "respect" all religions. i said an adult conversation about religious truth claims ought to be honest and respectful.
for example, if someone-- hypothetically :-) --says, "all religious truth claims are merely opinions." that person clearly lacks appreciation for what nearly all religious thinkers have claimed: that there *are* things that can be *known* about morals, the soul, our creator, justice, and redemption.
well those religious leaders are making opinions... now when someone backs up a belief with fact, well then it won't be an opinion anymore.
maybe a person with a more respectful view of religious claims could say, "i don't believe that a person can *know* anything of a religious nature, but christians and others do actually believe their doctrines to be *true* and not merely matters of opinion."
:) schizophrenics believe things are true that clearly are not. the thing about truth is that it doesn't need to be believed. it is apparent to everyone. if it isn't apparent it probably isn't truth.
what someone believes does not make it not an opinion.
then again i am openly disrespectful of religions. spirituality... not so much.
me changing my behavior to suit your belief has nothing to do with respect.
Evidence from your pastor doesn't count. I am sure it's the same evidence that purports to prove intelligent design. We prefer scientists not paid by Christian and Bush lobby groups around these parts.
You know what--within your ridiculously offensive posts are some potentially helpful ideas. Maybe you should try being clear and patient rather than rude and random.
I am a BSN student taking a nursing theory class at the moment. I was wondering what is everybody's opinion regarding expressing religious believes in nursing theories. Does it offend you to find the word "God" when reading about certain theories. Example : "Persons have mutual relationships with the world and God" (Quote from my theory book re works of Sister Callista Roy)
I am Catholic myself so I do not find such statements offensive...I am just wondering what others think on this topic
Thanks:heartbeat
Nursing has been intertwined with religious organizations since it's beginning. You would be hard pressed not find such statements.
You know what--within your ridiculously offensive posts are some potentially helpful ideas. Maybe you should try being clear and patient rather than rude and random.
I am not being rude. I am being blunt... Honesty and bluntness go hand in hand. I believe I have been quite clear...
Atheos
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Well, really all religious truth claims are merely opinions. I don't think teachers need to 'respect' religions to discuss them. It sounds more like she is trying to respect the students themselves which, IMHO, is way more important that respecting a religion.