I am a BSN student taking a nursing theory class at the moment. I was wondering what is everybody's opinion regarding expressing religious believes in nursing theories. Does it offend you to find the word "God" when reading about certain theories. Example : "Persons have mutual relationships with the world and God" (Quote from my theory book re works of Sister Callista Roy)
I am Catholic myself so I do not find such statements offensive...I am just wondering what others think on this topic
The reason Christianity is intertwined with modern nursing is that the large majority of the Western world where modern nursing evolved has been Christian for the past millennium. To think that the caring for the sick began with Christianity is naive and quite frankly insulting to all of humanity which has been caring for one's brethren back to the stone age and beyond.
didn't you also say that you wouldn't read any script that wasn't of Christian origin?
leslie
Exactly right and that isn't wrong. I did say I would find someone who could or would. If I am uneducated about something, I will not wing it and hope for the best. I am a Roman Catholic and educated about Catholicism, not Islam, Judisim, ect.
Exactly right and that isn't wrong. I did say I would find someone who could or would. If I am uneducated about something, I will not wing it and hope for the best. I am a Roman Catholic and educated about Catholicism, not Islam, Judisim, ect.
i certainly respect your stance.
i guess i'm not understanding, where the education comes in as it pertains to simple reading?
not one of those statements was a generalization or a slur. they are historical facts.
inquisition? guilty church doesn't deny it.
crusades? guilty church doesn't deny it.
witch burnings? guilty not catholic
slavery? guilty
vatican not standing up to the holocaust, apartheid and other events? guilty not true at all, read history and not the liberal, anti christian version.
letting oscar romero be killed by rich interests and doing nothing? guilty see above.
hiding child molesters? guilty not true again. the church punished those who harmed children and never once defended such an evil act. that isn't the norm for clergy.
better for nursing? ....
my point is that for every good thing that our resident proselytizer something i am not. attaches i can rebut. simple as that. he has his opinion i have mine.
individual people don't do these things sure. religions do. some people obviously need a reality check... shrug.
we are entitled to our opinions based on fact, not the liberal media's interpretation.
i guess i'm not understanding, where the education comes in as it pertains to simple reading?
leslie
we believe in one god,
the father, the almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
we believe in one lord, jesus christ,
the only son of god,
eternally begotten of the father,
god from god, light from light,
true god from true god,
begotten, not made,
of one being with the father.
through him all things were made.
for us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the holy spirit
he became incarnate from the virgin mary,
and was made man.
for our sake he was crucified under pontius pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
on the third day he rose again
in accordance with the scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the father.
he will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
we believe in the holy spirit, the lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the father and the son.
with the father and the son he is worshiped and glorified.
he has spoken through the prophets.
we believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
we acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
we look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. amen.
i believe the above with every fiber of my being. to deviate from that in any way is unacceptable to me. reading a prayer to a person of another religion is, in my opinion, condoning that religion and therefore not recognizing that their is but one god. i won't ever change that position.
reading a prayer to a person of another religion is, in my opinion, condoning that religion and therefore not recognizing that their is but one god. i won't ever change that position.
but mr. bailey, you aren't condoning their religion.
just by virtue of reading, is not the same as believing.
more important, by reading the psalm/prayer of their choice, you are condoning their right to spiritual relief and comfort.
why is it so difficult to understand, that this is not about your beliefs?
no one is taking your beliefs from you.
it's not even a case in point.
it is simply a neutral and compassionate act of comforting our pts.
even if it doesn't feel neutral to you, it still is...
not one of those statements was a generalization or a slur. they are historical facts.
inquisition? guilty church doesn't deny it.
crusades? guilty church doesn't deny it.
witch burnings? guilty not catholic yup - try joan of arc
slavery? guilty
vatican not standing up to the holocaust, apartheid and other events? guilty not true at all, read history and not the liberal, anti christian version. funny seeing how i learned that in cathedral high school private catholic school religion and history class.
letting oscar romero be killed by rich interests and doing nothing? guilty see above. see above..
hiding child molesters? guilty not true again. the church punished those who harmed children and never once defended such an evil act. that isn't the norm for clergy. punished by moving the m around? i don't get it. that's why the church got the bejeesus sued out of them
better for nursing? .... not by a long shot...
my point is that for every good thing that our resident proselytizer something i am not. you've been proselytizing here... half the thread turned into a sermon... attaches i can rebut. simple as that. he has his opinion i have mine.
individual people don't do these things sure. religions do. some people obviously need a reality check... shrug.
what can i say? a roman catholic lay person denies these things. catholic 'christian brothers' taught me these things. who is right?
i believe the above with every fiber of my being. to deviate from that in any way is unacceptable to me. reading a prayer to a person of another religion is, in my opinion, condoning that religion and therefore not recognizing that their is but one god. i won't ever change that position.
folks - this is not any different than other subjects where a nurse will find himself/herself in a situation that is against their own moral code and asks to have an assignment changed. or taking a job where you stipulate ahead of time your belief about abortion.
he has the right to not read to a patient. and to find clergy to help. which is what some of you are saying . . . . let the chaplain, pastor, priest do this part of the job.
this has been an interesting thread and i'll bet it does not get closed because so far, we've all been polite.
hypocaffeinemia, BSN, RN
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The reason Christianity is intertwined with modern nursing is that the large majority of the Western world where modern nursing evolved has been Christian for the past millennium. To think that the caring for the sick began with Christianity is naive and quite frankly insulting to all of humanity which has been caring for one's brethren back to the stone age and beyond.