We have all dealt with chronic care patients who keep coming back to the hospital because they have COPD and refuse to stop smoking, have CHF but can't be bothered to be compliant with their medications, or they are ESRD but they won't change their lifestyle, yet expect to be rescued whenever they eat a bucket of chicken while drinking a case of soda but can't make their dialysis appointment.
A more experienced nurse told me in my first two years of nursing that she thought 20% of the population used 80% of hospital and healthcare resources. I admit my dentist has used every tactic to try to get me to floss daily... what can I say? Some habits are best learned when very young - I just can't get it done. That point being, that even intelligent people (me...LOL) can't always be made to follow a long term treatment plan if the risk of not following it, doesn't feel real.
Covid antivaxxers... I am sorry to say I am all dystopian fantasy about this. It is all those chronic illness frustrations rolled into risk of death in the fast lane scenario. I am nearly radicalized. I think that anyone who refuses to mask, get vaccinated, wash their hands while propagating myths about fake news should be required to get a special tattoo.
Then when they show up in the ED with Covid symptoms, and test positive... we ask to see the spot where the tattoo is mandated to be placed. When it proves they are fake news antivaxxers... they are escorted out of the hospital by a team in space suits to "the fairgrounds". The fairgrounds has a fence and armed guards and plenty of organic food, water, shelter, sleeping arrangements.... no phones, no computers, no Fox News, no radio.... make them be inside their own heads. Have them reassure each other it isn't real until those around them die. If they actually survive and can agree to be vaccinated before being released... then they can be released.
My county is full of fake news people. We have a vaccination rate of 49% county wide. Covid admissions are up in the region and at our hospital. We don't have that big of a hospital. Having 8-11 Covid cases is a lot for us. 2 of the 12 ICU beds and the nurses caring for them is a lot.
You don't believe Covid is real? Then we will allow you to continue with your thoughts and beliefs when you contract it, you will battle it alone at "the fairgrounds". Yes visitors are welcome... but if they enter, they cannot leave.
Seriously... we need the right to refuse to serve those who threaten our lives and families. They expect to be saved? Darwinian ideas full scale. We are only interfering with it when we try to save these idiots.
Ya gotta wonder about who has a vested interest in fomenting anger and dissension in the US electorate.
Yes, that is the question you all should be asking.
Who benefits when the populace are constantly at each others throats? Who benefits from a less stable and less united America? I think you need to look both within, and outside your own borders.
From a nursing perspective, it’s quite easy to see that forces that work very hard to try to dissuade people from getting a vaccine that saves lives, don’t have your best interest at heart. It’s destructive and it is deliberate.
From a nursing perspective, it’s quite easy to see that forces that work very hard to try to dissuade people from getting a vaccine that saves lives, doesn’t have your best interest at heart. It’s destructive and it is deliberate.
I think this is what frustrates me the most. Florida right now is a great example of a politician taking a political gamble to move his career forward, but unlike most political gambles, this one is being paid for with people lives (and a significant amount of tax and insurance premium dollars).
Florida set another new record for cases yesterday, the throes record broken this week. With 6% of the US population, FL is responsible for 20% of the cases. The 7-day average is almost 20,000 now and a month ago it was 2,000.
Hospitalizations have set records for six straight days now. Covid positive patients are taking up 44% of the ICU beds. More than 9 out of 10 are unvaccinated.
Are you allowed to go around hitting people without consequences? Peeing in a public pool? Then why are you allowed to go around infecting people and possibly killing them? What's the difference between hitting someone and causing damage and infecting someone and causing damage?
Your rights to refuse doesn't include you being a danger to others! Want to test that statement? Go wave a toy gun around in public and see what happens!
The cops don't know it's a toy gun and we don't know if you are infected! However, if everyone was vaccinated, we know that you are not infected!
How many recent incidents involved people threatening others by pretending to cough on them or saying that they had Covid? Board a plane and pretend to cough and say that you have Covid and let's see how much your rights will protect you from being beaten to a pulp! To those other passengers, you are a walking time bomb and you will be treated as such!
Just as criminals don't understand or care about the consequences of their actions, I think antivaxxers lean the same way!
Florida right now is a great example of a politician taking a political gamble to move his career forward, but unlike most political gambles, this one is being paid for with people lives (and a significant amount of tax and insurance premium dollars).
This one is being paid for by CHILDREN’S lives!!! The most innocent in all of this yet no public outcry and even people willing to sacrifice their own to the gods of politics. Our society has lost their collective minds. ??
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 hour ago, Wuzzie said:
This one is being paid for by CHILDREN’S lives! The most innocent in all of this yet no public outcry and even people willing to sacrifice their own to the gods of politics. Our society has lost their collective minds. ??
An alarming percentage of the American population are seriously deranged in their thinking when they are willing to sacrifice their republic or their children for a political agenda. They don't realize that is what they are doing but it is pretty obvious to others.
Look I'm in Psych and I'm pretty good at it especially re big picture which very few people seem able to do.
Perspective is almost an OS re behavior!
Mental illness problems are forgivable because of circumstances beyond their control!
Non Vaxxers possess a mind set that bleeds into so many areas of their lives!
You frequently find that they are also likely to be religious and right wingers with racist, anti LGBTQ and misogynistic tendencies(anti Semitic, Latinos, Blacks, Asian etc). They are closed minded and motivated with latent or even underlying anger issues. Serious control issues with very little critical thinking possibilities to bleed the frustrations. (picking and choosing data to support their arguments) They are generally selfish and inconsiderate, except to their group and almost always untrustworthy, because of their selfishness. They will back stab their own, much less you and MUCHO, GRANDE amount of defense mechanisms to rationalize their actions! They plot and scheme to promote their perspectives, because of their fragile egos, because essentially they think that their ways are the best, regardless of culture, creed or just general respect. WORST OF ALL, they are JUDGEMENTAL using skewed data and emotional projection!
Essentially, they isolate themselves in like minded communities physically and online and don't seek out information that might contradict their views, so they are adverse to learning and therefore, improving. Trumpistas, Jim Jones, Koresh, Evangelicals, fringe groups and radicals etc exhibit those traits.
Consider those people's interests currently, it's anti American, because the country is too diverse, too democratic, the press is too free so they court Authoritarians like Oban, Putin, Bolsanaro etc. How are those countries doing with Covid?
I'm generalizing of course but not by much!
You might be, because of liberalism and education, know better and want to reach out, but liberals have to learn, that after you have given someone a good period of time to make changes, there's a concept called TOUGH LOVE, that actually works quite well!
Wow, I feel for the patients in your care who have different views than yourself. I think you missed a few classes in Psych 101.
I am a family psychiatric/mental health NP with over 30 years of experience.
Did you find it not necessary to answer the question?
How's your reading ability? Did you miss the part about mental illness being forgivable or were you too badly churned to be objective?
Lady, qualifications or experience doesn't move me, only ability! You don't get to analyze my statement, because you decided that an office off the unit away from the patients, is better than spending time with them. When stuff happens, you aren't there to deal with it. Us nurses on the floor, do the assessments and make plans accordingly. We do the analyzing!
Before you presume to judge me I am pro vaccines and since you felt it necessary to attack me, I must assume that you are an anti vaxxer? You ignored the content of antivaxxing but focused on the political and IMO that makes you dangerous as a health care professional. I'm done with people who ignore the science and facts because of their rights! Do you have to wear a seat belt? Does manufacturers have to sell cars with seat belts? Can you smoke in the presence of O2? The people who ignore those facts are idiots IMO and should be treated accordingly.
So did my post stir up some latent memories? Example, for your education and experience, why did you choose that name? Seems very childish, not reflecting either your qualifications or experience well? What's the significance?
Wow, I feel for the patients in your care who have different views than yourself. I think you missed a few classes in Psych 101.
Always a problem when disagreement/contradiction leads to a direct personal attack.
13 hours ago, Curious1997 said:
Did you find it not necessary to answer the question?
How's your reading ability? Did you miss the part about mental illness being forgivable or were you too badly churned to be objective?
Lady, qualifications or experience doesn't move me, only ability! You don't get to analyze my statement, because you decided that an office off the unit away from the patients, is better than spending time with them. When stuff happens, you aren't there to deal with it. Us nurses on the floor, do the assessments and make plans accordingly. We do the analyzing!
Before you presume to judge me I am pro vaccines and since you felt it necessary to attack me, I must assume that you are an anti vaxxer? You ignored the content of antivaxxing but focused on the political and IMO that makes you dangerous as a health care professional. I'm done with people who ignore the science and facts because of their rights! Do you have to wear a seat belt? Does manufacturers have to sell cars with seat belts? Can you smoke in the presence of O2? The people who ignore those facts are idiots IMO and should be treated accordingly.
So did my post stir up some latent memories? Example, for your education and experience, why did you choose that name? Seems very childish, not reflecting either your qualifications or experience well? What's the significance?
It is inexperienced colleagues who follow the herd that are the sad reality. Yes covid is real and will be here for decades to come. If you follow the science closely worldwide you would know that this virus has been politicized and facts grossly manipulated. The vaccines are nothing but money makers for big pharma and the expense of phase 3 clinical trials on the population with adverse effects often worse then getting Covid. Must I also remind you of those who have been fully vaxed and died from covid complications ??? Perhaps when you have 30 years of experience and two graduate degrees we can chat about ethical practice in nursing and medicine.
This is disgusting to read. How about the alcoholics with severe liver failure who leave the hospital and continue to drink??? That's their choice, right? So next time they show up to the hospital you're just not going to treat them because of a personal choice? Or what about the people with self-induced heart failure, type 2 diabetes, or severe obesity?? Do they not deserve our hospital resources because they can be given to a healthier person who made better life choices?? Marked with a freaking tattoo so they can be identified?? Listen to yourself....
Not sure when you decided that you were God and chose who got treated and who didn't. Put your judgment aside.
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Yes, that is the question you all should be asking.
Who benefits when the populace are constantly at each others throats? Who benefits from a less stable and less united America? I think you need to look both within, and outside your own borders.
From a nursing perspective, it’s quite easy to see that forces that work very hard to try to dissuade people from getting a vaccine that saves lives, don’t have your best interest at heart. It’s destructive and it is deliberate.