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It's September. Pre-nursing students have become nursing students and new grads are either starting new jobs or are well into orientation. And there seems to be a plethora of new posts claiming that nurses eat their young, that the poster gets no respect, that their workplace is full of bullies, that "everyone knows that nursing is mostly women and women are caddy," that the senior nurses on their units "owe it to me" to "take me under their wing and train me" and other claims that are "truth adjacent."
We've all seen the threads, or the post within a seemingly inoffensive thread:
"Yep -- It's true. Nurses eat their young. I know because I've been eaten."
"Newbie here, and I get no respect."
"Respect should not have to be earned; those old cows should just give me respect."
"Nurses are supposed to be compassionate and kind, so where is the compassion for MEEEE?"
"No negative posts. If you can't say something nice, don't bother to respond."
Whether they know it or not, these posters are revealing far more about themselves than they are about the alleged bullies in their workplace.
As a Crusty Old bat, preceptor and charge nurse, I owe it to the new employees on my unit to treat them with basic human courtesy and kindness. Respect, however, is different and when the word is used as defined, must be earned. (Respect: a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities or achievements.) When you're new, we don't know anything about your abilities or qualities, and the achievement we know about -- that you graduated from nursing school and passed the licensing exam -- is something we've all done. As you work with us for awhile and we get to know you, you will either earn respect for your abilities, qualities and achievements . . . Or you won't.
Disrespect is defined as lack of respect, scorn, disregard, disdain or contempt. I often see early posts from a new member complaining that their brand new colleagues, preceptors, nursing instructors or some poor nurse who has been saddled with them for a shift lacks respect for them. The posts are dripping with contempt for the nasty old preceptor or addled older colleague who doesn't totally "get" their awesomeness and give them the deference they feel is their due. Posts claiming that "nurses eat their young" while describing said nurses in derogatory terms, claiming that they KNEW the workplace was full of bullies and they've been proven correct because they're currently being followed around by mean old bullies, or that "they should take me under their wing and train me" while verbally excoriating the very nurses they want to mentor them all tell me that the poster doesn't understand workplace dynamics and relationships and is having difficulty getting along with their co-workers. That tells me far more about THEM than it does about the co-workers.
Like many of us, I've taken the time to write responses to some of these posts, hoping to point the poster in the right direction or encourage them to engage in some introspection before concluding that the problem is all in the other person they're complaining about. Some of those posts are long and detailed. I've thought about the original post and about my response for hours, sometimes, before I sit down to type out my response. And then the poster goes off on me, because my answer wasn't the one they were looking for.
To those posters: AN has a wealth of information, thousands of wise old nurses and a metric ton of valuable advice. But you have to be ready to accept it. When you're new, you don't deserve disrespect, but you haven't earned any respect either. You deserve, and are likely getting, the basic courtesy we all owe other human beings. If your co-workers don't LIKE you, that's something else again, and this place can be very informative about why that may be and what you can do to change it. Nurses don't eat their young, but we do give negative feedback. Our job is too important and the consequences to our patients potentially too dire for me NOT to tell you when you're screwing up. If you cannot accept any criticism, you don't belong in nursing.
The senior nurses who mentor or precept you deserve your respect, and you won't GET any respect from them until you GIVE it. Understand that no matter what the nurse in your clinical said, you aren't helpful and don't ease our workload any. If we've taken on the responsibility of teaching you, you have tripled our workload. Be grateful for each and every nurse who gives you that gift. And understand why some seasoned nurses just cannot offer that at this time. Try to exhibit the kindness and compassion for those nurses that you expect FROM them.
Nurses don't eat their young, aren't predominately bullies and don't owe you. But if you're respectful and grateful, you might very well be the recipient of someone's best tips, time savers and teaching.
I've been fortunate enough that I never felt this from any of the senior nurses when I first graduated over 10 years ago. That is not to say I didn't see it happen to others, but rather I just don't have the type of personality that would have allowed it to happen to me. Like others said there is some basis for it to exist but I think overall the cases are few and far between. And frequently there is a reason behind eating that particular young (i.e. they are unsafe, arrogant, etc) and instead of looking inside themselves they place the blame on this NETY phenomenon.
As I enter my last few weeks of orientation, I have to say all I've felt from my unit is support. I've not seen NETY to any of my coworkers who started with me. I think I've tried to learn everything I can from everyone I've met on my unit and respect that they know more than I do since I'm so green in the field. I've only felt like my unit wants me to do well and has helped me so far so I can get up and running on my own soon. I still have a lot to learn and I'll keep asking questions, however I know I've got the support of my senior nurses to go to when I need help. Someday, I'll earn their respect as I keep learning and growing in the field, but I've got a ways to go yet!
I had a teacher who would ask us to choose a word or words other than "respect" because he found that everyone has their own definition for it and people tend to get passionate about it which leads to miscommunication and unnecessary/ non productive conflict.
Of course NETY exists. It undoubtedly exists, it's definitely not a logical fallacy, but it's also not a made up monster. That doesn't mean that every unpleasant relationship between a new nurse and a seasoned nurse is an example of NETY.
It's NETY when a seasoned nurse has unresolved issues, perhaps stemming from the way she was trained, perhaps due to burnout, or long standing negative relationships with her superiors; and her response is to take it out on the new nurses around her. It's not the worst thing she could do. She could take it out on the patient, who is also a vulnerable person in her life.
It happens often enough in nursing to have it's own acronym, but it happens in other professions also.
If you, as the seasoned nurse, maintain humility, believe that all teachers are learners first, believe that the preceptor relationship benefits you as well as the preceptee, then you will not fall into the NETY trap.
If you think that students/young people are a burden to their elders/ superiors, that you are the giver and the preceptee brings nothing to the table, if you feel that precepting is your charity, these are just some of the clues that you may have fallen into NETY.
I had a teacher who would ask us to choose a word or words other than "respect" because he found that everyone has their own definition for it and people tend to get passionate about it which leads to miscommunication and unnecessary/ non productive conflict.Of course NETY exists. It undoubtedly exists, it's definitely not a logical fallacy, but it's also not a made up monster. That doesn't mean that every unpleasant relationship between a new nurse and a seasoned nurse is an example of NETY.
It's NETY when a seasoned nurse has unresolved issues, perhaps stemming from the way she was trained, perhaps due to burnout, or long standing negative relationships with her superiors; and her response is to take it out on the new nurses around her. It's not the worst thing she could do. She could take it out on the patient, who is also a vulnerable person in her life.
It happens often enough in nursing to have it's own acronym, but it happens in other professions also.
If you, as the seasoned nurse, maintain humility, believe that all teachers are learners first, believe that the preceptor relationship benefits you as well as the preceptee, then you will not fall into the NETY trap.
If you think that students/young people are a burden to their elders/ superiors, that you are the giver and the preceptee brings nothing to the table, if you feel that precepting is your charity, these are just some of the clues that you may have fallen into NETY.
Your teacher was wise. When one person uses the term "respect", they may mean the basic courtesy and kindness one human owes another, in the absence of evidence to the contrary. (One might argue that convicted rapists aren't owed any courtesy or kindness from women they attempt to engage, but rather the woman ought to run for her life.) Another person might use the term as the admiration we give others based on their knowledge, abilities or qualities and that someone who hasn't been shown yet to have any of those things deserves courtesy but not respect.
As far as NETY existing - perhaps in rare instances. I think it's a term someone coined that got them attention and sold books. And I think it's easier to claim NETY than to face the fact that you are making too many mistakes, aren't learning fast enough, can't get along with your co-workers. Blaming all those bullies that must surely be around you beats taking responsibility for your own failures.
I've been a preceptor for 35 years. In that time, I have never had an orientee who failed to teach me something. In the vast majority of cases, my orientees have taught me good things and helped me to improve my practice, my knowledge base, my relationships with others. A few have taught me other things. Almost invariably, those are the orientees who scream about bullies, and go on to become terrible team players, poor colleagues, miserable nurses and unreliable employees.
I'd love to see the term "NETY" abolished and instead see new nurses learn to take responsibility for their practice, their relationships with their colleagues and their professionalism. I personally don't think there are enough episodes of true bullying or "young eating" out there to justify the time and energy we spend talking about it.
I wholeheartedly agree with you Ruby. It gets really tiresome to read the continuous posts from new and newish nurses who can't get along with coworkers. They come here for advice because they can't discuss those issues with coworkers and when we offer it we become "NETY" just like their coworkers. When did nursing become nothing but whining and sniveling and complaining about other nurses? New nurses need to be learning how to do their jobs and especially mastering the technical skills, but instead they focus on how mean their fellow nurses are to them. They will miss us experienced nurses when we're gone. Then they'll be swimming with sharks and to heck with NETY!
Ruby always nails it, doesn't she? Personally, I think some "clever" person made up the disgusting term NETY and it was hijacked by literally thousands of nurses who can't cope with the realities of nursing and wanted somewhere to place the blame.
I first heard the term 10 years ago, in nursing school, from my nursing instructors, who each had at least 10 years of nursing experience. And I to assume all of them were wrong?
I first heard the term 10 years ago, in nursing school, from my nursing instructors, who each had at least 10 years of nursing experience. And I to assume all of them were wrong?
As a generalization- Yes.
The fact that there are so many who have posted, including newbies, to the contrary is a pretty good indication that this might be a bit overstateted.
I think everybody here can agree that there are some toxic work environments.
But, NETY implies a certain targeting of vulnerable victims. As if there is an otherwise healthy, caring supportive workplace where all act professionally, except when it comes to new nurses. That just doesn't ring true. I have no doubt that some new nurses work in hostile workplaces. And some experienced nurses.
And, if you look through these threads and look at the perceived slights against new nurses, it's possible that there is some over-sensitivity.
I first heard the term 10 years ago, in nursing school, from my nursing instructors, who each had at least 10 years of nursing experience. And I to assume all of them were wrong?
If they told you that nurses eat their young, they were wrong. If they merely mentioned the the idea and then encouraged you to think for yourself about it, or cautioned you that if you're looking for young-eating old nurses you will find them because we generally tend to find what we look for, they weren't wrong.
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