"I don't want him as my nurse"

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While this is not exclusively LPN related, I feel that as an LPN I should still discuss my nursing dilemmas here with nurses such as myself.

I go to triage a pt and he says in a lively and over the top voice, "I'm not doing so well."

I look at the pt. I smile at him and say, "I'd imagine you're not doing so well if you needed to come to the ER." His wife laughs and he glares at me and I slightly shrink back- oops. I begin the triage and ask him questions pertinent to the triage. He cuts me off at every question and begins to rant. He goes on and on...... and on... and on.... he belittles the physicians and nursing staff who made him this way. He's yelping and yowling about his problems. The pt is so over the top with his complaints... I get to the question, "On a scale of 0-10, how would you rank your discomfort right now?"

"Uh. A 20!" he states like it is the most blatant thing in the world.

My manager once told me, "I knew I had to leave the bedside in the ER when I sat and listened to a father yelp and howl about how he ran over his daughter and all I could think about was how he couldn't cut tot he chase and tell me the pertinent triage information. I knew it was time for me to go after that."

I look at the patient and say, "Well, anything after 10 on the 0-10 scale is reset back to 0, so if you really think your pain is a 20, then I thin I have send you back. Do you still want to call it a 20?"

The patient hesitantly looked at me, then glanced to his wife behind me, then back at me with confirmation of his indignation, "Yes! Its a 20!"

"Okay. Just so we're clear on that..." I respond.

From that point on, it was smooth sailing. The triage was easily completed. About 15 minutes later, the Primary RN comes to me and says, "No offense, the patient requests you not come back to their room"

.... sigh..... more than happy to oblige.

gah.

The reason a 0-10 scale is helpful, is because you can reassess after medicating. If the number's gone down, usually... the medication has been effective. So the number scale is valuable. But I do agree that the question can seem ridiculous to patients. I just assure them that it's a valuable tool, and I use it to monitor the effectiveness of the intervention. They usually comply after they realize WHY I'm asking. And I agree with pangea... If I get a 15/10, or a 100/10, I just say... "Okay, we'll get you medicated." I don't question it- not worth my time... haha

Not to sound like a smartaleck, but wouldn't it be just as effective to go back and simply ask "Did the pain medicine help?" Seems to me that's just as effective a way to assess the medication's effectiveness as the 1-10 scale.

I agree that questioning a response of 15/10 or whatever is just a waste of time. I'll just chart what they said (with quotation marks) and medicate them.

Too many nurses waste too much time trying to determine if a patient is "really" painful or not. I don't care how many times you say "But he's sitting there texting and watching TV." So what?

If there's a valid order for the med, and the patient's vitals and LOC are fine, then just give the darn med!

When I was a new nurse, I thought the 0-10 scale was just some gimmicky thing forced on nurses for documentation purposes, and I frequently felt badly as if I had to badger the patient for a number.

Now I feel differently about it. I think the 0-10 pain scale can be a valuable tool in assessing and managing pain. It gives us a common vernacular with which to talk about pain with the patient.

In order for it to be a useful tool, though, you have to educate the patient on the pain scale and what each range of numbers means. I often will say something like "zero is no pain and ten is the worst pain you can possibly imagine".

Too many nurses waste too much time trying to determine if a patient is "really" painful or not. I don't care how many times you say "But he's sitting there texting and watching TV." So what?

If there's a valid order for the med, and the patient's vitals and LOC are fine, then just give the darn med!

THIS!

Specializes in Medical Surgical.

I'm not sure if this post is about the pain scale, or the OPs lack of empathy.

Specializes in Home health.
I'm not sure if this post is about the pain scale or the OPs lack of empathy.[/quote']

Both I think :-)

I agree with Stargazer.. The scale can be very helpful, but only when the patient/nurse communicate well. I try to not let the little things bug me. More often than not when I'm "fired" by a patient I'm A-OK with it and not surprised.

Specializes in Emergency Nursing.

I am glad to have the idea of the pain scale reinforced by some replies not as a way to measure pain intensity but rather a way to measure its decrease and decline. I need not be be so stringent on the 0-10 scale to rate pain. Working in an environment where the pain scale is so easily abused has left me with a disconnect from its purpose. How easy it is to forget about the 6th vital sign.

Next time I will free text the 15/10 as a note and offer a side of dilaudid with their Hardee's at bedside. Hehehe

*note: ten years working in food service, I often feel I'm doing the same job now as a nurse but only now with medication!

Specializes in Public Health, L&D, NICU.

Being fired by a patient doesn't bother me in the least. Usually it really improves my day! :yes: The last time I got fired, they had also fired every other nurse on the unit. I told them that they could take me, or they could labor totally by themselves, and they could receive the baby from the doctor after delivery. I ended my comment with, "Let's hope the baby doesn't need any help to breathe!" I then called in the house supervisor to see what their decision was. She reiterated to them that there were no other nurses on the unit, and no, we would not be calling in anyone from home just because they wanted us to. The finally decided that maybe a couple of us weren't too bad, and the labor and delivery proceeded without too much drama.

I am glad to have the idea of the pain scale reinforced by some replies not as a way to measure pain intensity but rather a way to measure its decrease and decline. I need not be be so stringent on the 0-10 scale to rate pain. Working in an environment where the pain scale is so easily abused has left me with a disconnect from its purpose. How easy it is to forget about the 6th vital sign.

Next time I will free text the 15/10 as a note and offer a side of dilaudid with their Hardee's at bedside. Hehehe

*note: ten years working in food service, I often feel I'm doing the same job now as a nurse but only now with medication!

Let me assure you that I was in no condition to eat a Hardee's (whatever that is) when I was in emerg. I hadn't eaten in five days at that point.

You sound like you have reached compassion fatigue. From reading other posts of yours, I think you are projecting your dislike of being an LPN onto your patients. I hope that after completing your degree you redevelop some compassion.

I work in an inner city hospital where addictions are rife. I've had patients leave the unit and self medicate via their PICCs. I know what drug seeking is. I also know that when someone that is able to text on their phone tells me that their pain is a 10 they are either addicts or ask them to describe the pain.

I've also had a patient tell me their pain is a 7.5 because 7.5 of morphine will take it away. Yes, she was a frequent flier.

Specializes in ICU.

I don't share the irritation about people not using the 0-10 scale properly. So what if it's a 20 on a 0-10 scale? Yes, it's impossible but that's what the patient says his pain is. Document it and move along.

Besides, pain scales are relative to the patient only. By looking at pain trends in the same patient, you can tell if it's getting worse or better. Pain scales between patients are irrelevant. Two patients who both report a 7 could be having entirely different amounts of pain.

And yes, I think the OP was being obstinate with the patient for no reason. I understand not all nurses are 100% empathy all the time, but regardless of how right you are, what good does it do to argue in that situation?

Specializes in PCCN.
I am glad to have the idea of the pain scale reinforced by some replies not as a way to measure pain intensity but rather a way to measure its decrease and decline. I need not be be so stringent on the 0-10 scale to rate pain. Working in an environment where the pain scale is so easily abused has left me with a disconnect from its purpose. How easy it is to forget about the 6th vital sign.

Next time I will free text the 15/10 as a note and offer a side of dilaudid with their Hardee's at bedside. Hehehe

*note: ten years working in food service, I often feel I'm doing the same job now as a nurse but only now with medication!

Ain't that the truth!!!!!

Some people don't want to have a witty conversation about number theory, they just want you to know they're in pain. 15 out of 10 is a good enough answer for me. In fact, I think it's a stupid "question" to start out with. I realize most of us are forced to ask it, though.

I don't share the irritation about people not using the 0-10 scale properly. So what if it's a 20 on a 0-10 scale? Yes, it's impossible but that's what the patient says his pain is. Document it and move along.

Besides, pain scales are relative to the patient only. By looking at pain trends in the same patient, you can tell if it's getting worse or better. Pain scales between patients are irrelevant. Two patients who both report a 7 could be having entirely different amounts of pain.

And yes, I think the OP was being obstinate with the patient for no reason. I understand not all nurses are 100% empathy all the time, but regardless of how right you are, what good does it do to argue in that situation?

I liked a lot of the posts but these two stood out for me.

Thanks!

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