Question on reacting to tachycardic afib

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So I have a question for you cardiac nurses.

-Quick rundown. patient used to be on 120mg of cardizem ER.

-patient was running brady and possible syncope on admittance

-doctor dc cardizem.

-pt is running afib/aflutter in the 130s-150s over the past few days, asymptomatic.

-I wasnt worried about it and the tele monitor is calling em and harassing me over something that has been unchanged.

-The hospitalist has known about this for the past few days.

-I get a call from their charge nurse asking em if the hospitalist knows about this. The day hospitalist knew about this and I felt that this can wait. She paged the night hospitalist to come over to my floor, the hospitalist wasnt worried, neither were any nurse on my floor.

So did I do the right thing? For something that has been unchanged over the past few days, is it necessary to call the hospitalist if the patient is asymptomatic? Day hospitalist even charted it in his progress notes.

side note: This telemonitor has overstepped her boundaries in the past and trying to get me to give an oncology patient fluids because her admitting diagnosis was for dehydration(The lady was on her last leg and she was changed to a palliative care the next day because of the metastasis of her cancer). She has also told her charge nurse to call me and even at a point told me that her charge nurse recommended me push adenosine on someone that had orthostatic tachycardia.

I would be concerned that the physician is allowing the patient to stay in rapid afib with RVR. Despite the patient being asymptomatic, the tachycardia can cause other problems such as stroke and not allowing the patient's organza to get the full amount of blood due to the ventricles not having enough full time. Not only that but the patient can decompensate at any time and if they do, it will be very fast.

I agree that it is within our scope of practice to hold a medication based on our assessments. Of course document why you held it and depending on the medication, just update the physician to cover your own self.

Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant.
Appreciate the angle of your outlook. It really opens up alot for me to think about an odd admitting diagnosis.

Also, sometimes medics will bring the pt in and report a syncopal episode. When talking to the patient, he/she will say "no I didn't pass out." A family member will then tell you "yeah, he/she did pass out and was incontinent." The ER doc will then write "syncope" as an admission dx. and leave it to others to determine in the pt. actually passed out. Either way, it appears pretty obvious this pt. did need to be admitted.

Despite the patient being asymptomatic, the tachycardia can cause other problems such....not allowing the patient's organza to get the full amount of blood

Hee hee!

Specializes in Cath Lab & Interventional Radiology.

I would suggest next time calling on your colleagues on the tele or step-down unit, and asking their advice. I often times will call the Oncology, Ortho or Neuro floor if I am taking care of a patient of that specialty, and I am not quite sure how certain things are handled. There is so much to learn, and I find that my colleagues are happy to answer my questions.

Critical thinking skills is what is needed here. The patient presented with... incontinence, that is not a diagnosis.. it is a symptom.

What is the root cause of the incontinence?

Specializes in Cath lab, acute, community.

I don't see what the concern is. If the patient is asymptomatic all that needs to be done is trial of amioadorone or something similar, and to be put on anti-coagulants if they aren't already. The doctor could be informed the next morning.

I don't see what the concern is. If the patient is asymptomatic all that needs to be done is trial of amioadorone or something similar, and to be put on anti-coagulants if they aren't already. The doctor could be informed the next morning.

Yeah, the patient will be asymptomatic til he throws a clot and strokes out. A sustained rate of 140 is something to call an MD about in the middle of the night. The big deal of a fib with RVR isn't the symptoms of SOB/palpitations, it's the risk of throwing a clot.

Yeah, the patient will be asymptomatic til he throws a clot and strokes out. A sustained rate of 140 is something to call an MD about in the middle of the night. The big deal of a fib with RVR isn't the symptoms of SOB/palpitations, it's the risk of throwing a clot.

Throwing a clot and developing CHF. CHF can develop insidiously.. until BAM... fulminating pulmonary edema.

Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU.

What was the blood pressure with that heart rate of 150? 400mg of Amiodarone BID is a lot. I would be monitoring the QT and if > .40 seconds I would be on the phone to someone about it.

Any dyspnea chest discomfort or weakness? Septic? Febrile? If you are ever uncertain but you know somethings wrong please call a rapid response.

Crackles? Oliguria? Anticoagulated? Cardiac enzymes?

What did the EKG show?

Call the Cardiologist hourly until you get appropriate orders. Doctor what is the plan for Ms Smith?

Holding the metoprolol po without parameters is wrong.

Giving IV metoprolol to someone on a diltiazem gtt is contraindicated. Both are nodal blocking agents. I have seen asystole occur and even calcium chloride doesn't get them back.

All of this is not the realm of an Oncology unit anyway. Next time ask for a transfer to a ♡ unit .

Specializes in Hematology/Oncology.
What was the blood pressure with that heart rate of 150? 400mg of Amiodarone BID is a lot. I would be monitoring the QT and if > .40 seconds I would be on the phone to someone about it.

Any dyspnea chest discomfort or weakness? Septic? Febrile? If you are ever uncertain but you know somethings wrong please call a rapid response.

Crackles? Oliguria? Anticoagulated? Cardiac enzymes?

What did the EKG show?

Call the Cardiologist hourly until you get appropriate orders. Doctor what is the plan for Ms Smith?

Holding the metoprolol po without parameters is wrong.

Giving IV metoprolol to someone on a diltiazem gtt is contraindicated. Both are nodal blocking agents. I have seen asystole occur and even calcium chloride doesn't get them back.

All of this is not the realm of an Oncology unit anyway. Next time ask for a transfer to a ♡ unit .

No crackles. BP was stable. If you look further down the cardiologist knew about it. I already stated the metoprolol was within the parameters, we do not do cardiac drips on my floor. Ill be sure to ask for a transfer next time it comes around.

I think I need to take some cardiac classes. I dont think it ever hurts to do that, regardless of what unit you are on.

Specializes in Critical Care.
What was the blood pressure with that heart rate of 150? 400mg of Amiodarone BID is a lot. I would be monitoring the QT and if > .40 seconds I would be on the phone to someone about it.

Did you mean > 0.5 seconds?

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