Putting rumors to sleep

[suzanne4]

there are so many rumors that come out of manila on a daily basis, that i am going to take the time to post this, so please take the time to read it. it is crazy with the amount of pms and e-mails that i get because no one bothers to do any reading first, and relies only on the rumors floating around the country.

1. the us government doe not require that you pass the local exam for immigration purposes.

2. most states do not require that you take the local exam for licensure.

3. cgfns exam requires that you take and pass the local exam, but most states no longer require the exam.

4. if you are not already in final process of waiting for the embassy interview, there will not be any of the 50,000 visas available for you, the cut-off date tentatively for october is for the actual visa, not for when your petition was submitted. the visa numbers are counted noly when they are actually issued, not any time before that.

5. if immigration requires that you take the english exams, then they are not waived for you if a state requires them.

6. most states that have requirements want the toefl exam and they do not accept the ielts series. you will need to pass the toefl exam before you will be permitted to sit for an exam.

7. if you are in the us on a tourist visa, there is no automatic extension granted to you if you pass the nclex exam. and applying for any type of extension on that visa, will most likely get you sent home. it is extremely difficult to get an extension, and if they deny it, you will have no choice but to leave the country, even if you get a job offer. the attorneys that are telling you otherwise are only interested in collecting their fee from you, it makes no difference what happens to you as long as they file that petition for you. and they are not doing it for free.

8. do not let your visa fall out of status, no matter what your firends tell you. it is grounds for deportation if immigration so decides. and no return for ten years.

any questions concerning this needs to get posted on the international forum, not on this forum. i am posting this here, since so many of you are continuing to ask the same questions over and over again without reading first.

please take the time to read "thr primer" that is at the top of the international forum before you consider posting.

tagalog is not permitted in any post, and will be deleted. english is the only language that is to be used.

[gracediwa]

Does this mean that even if June 2006 graduates passed the NCLEX they will not get a job because they belong to this batch? Isn't that too much? And cheating on NCLEX? How could that be when the test is CAT-based? And the NLE scoring is actually not very fair ever since, there's always a quota. SO you won't see a 80%++ passers. As what we were told, they get the mean or mode based on the highest or lowest scores. It's not like NCLEX wherein you passed once you get above the criteria. So it's really impossible to get a high percentage.

[nrswnabee]

And the NLE scoring is actually not very fair ever since, there's always a quota. SO you won't see a 80%++ passers. As what we were told, they get the mean or mode based on the highest or lowest scores. It's not like NCLEX wherein you passed once you get above the criteria. So it's really impossible to get a high percentage.

i'm sure people in the industry are aware of that.

[nrswnabee]

http://www.philippinenews.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=93dd34149d06d68b6abf179e6b8db3cf

Here is the link to the article. Headline is misleading (has nothing to do with NLE) as what she is suggesting is that nurses need 2-3 years of experience before working in the US. I disagree with this position but I dont have problems if employers try to get the best candidates. Not all kinds of experience are the same. It's better to have short, quality work than long years of garbage and useless work.

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dean tuazon's bold statement only acknowledges how nursing education in the phils. has gone from bad to worse. being at the helm of the leading school in the country, her words certainly carry a lot of weight among those closely watching the industry. (she's not the dean of the most-respected academic institution in the land for nothing). it's both a sad and desperate move to cause a much-needed overhaul of our highly commercialized nursing education. sad because her "recommendation" roadkills new pinoy nurses whom her efforts supposedly aim to protect. desperate because it must be that no amount of research, policy-making or even hob-knobbing with colleagues all this time has yielded the NEEDED results. she has to bypass the system and go straight to the decision-makers of corporate health care america. her power cannot cause corruption and politicking to disappear (and STOP diploma mills from operating and sprouting everywhere ) so she just had to pull strings somewhere else...where it'll really hurt. as we always say, no pain, no gain. i just hope the pain part goes away sooner so the pinoy nurse can reclaim her glory.

[suzanne4, RN]

I take her stance on things. Corruption has gone from bad to worse over there on your side of the world. And after personally working with some nurses that bought their diplomas, something seriously needs to be done about it. The Philippine gove't is not, there are issues with corruption with the PRC as well. There were no other choices for her to make. The only way to get things cleaned up is to go after the schools that are doing this, and hit them where it hurts, in their pockets. Most could care less about the students, but only the amount of money that they can take into their accounts.

Wonder what they will really do when they need nursing care, or even medical care with some of the purchased diplomas there as well. Perhaps leave the country for their own care? They need to be forced to be taken care of by the students that they trained, and take some responsibility for what they have done.

[nrswnabee]

I take her stance on things. Corruption has gone from bad to worse over there on your side of the world. And after personally working with some nurses that bought their diplomas, something seriously needs to be done about it. The Philippine gove't is not, there are issues with corruption with the PRC as well. There were no other choices for her to make. The only way to get things cleaned up is to go after the schools that are doing this, and hit them where it hurts, in their pockets. Most could care less about the students, but only the amount of money that they can take into their accounts.

Wonder what they will really do when they need nursing care, or even medical care with some of the purchased diplomas there as well. Perhaps leave the country for their own care? They need to be forced to be taken care of by the students that they trained, and take some responsibility for what they have done.

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that's only fair sentence for taking blood money out of many poor pinoys. exactly a dose of their own medicine.

[tantrum]

Does this mean that even if June 2006 graduates passed the NCLEX they will not get a job because they belong to this batch? Isn't that too much? And cheating on NCLEX? How could that be when the test is CAT-based? And the NLE scoring is actually not very fair ever since, there's always a quota. SO you won't see a 80%++ passers. As what we were told, they get the mean or mode based on the highest or lowest scores. It's not like NCLEX wherein you passed once you get above the criteria. So it's really impossible to get a high percentage.

I also don't see how you can cheat on a CAT- based NCLEX. IF the 50% quota on NLE is true I dont want to hear any yakking from the BON or Nursing deans about DECLINING passing rate compared to the 70's or 80' IF THEY are the ones putting obstacles in getting more passers.

[suzanne4, RN]

Does this mean that even if June 2006 graduates passed the NCLEX they will not get a job because they belong to this batch? Isn't that too much? And cheating on NCLEX? How could that be when the test is CAT-based? And the NLE scoring is actually not very fair ever since, there's always a quota. SO you won't see a 80%++ passers. As what we were told, they get the mean or mode based on the highest or lowest scores. It's not like NCLEX wherein you passed once you get above the criteria. So it's really impossible to get a high percentage.

There have been multiple reports on how one review school over there has gotten ahold of questions and they are being investigated. I am not posting their how method here. And it can be dine, they have done it.

Both with CGFNS exam, as well as NCLEX exam.

Not saying more about it here, you should be able to figure out the rest.

The NLE exam is not unlike the CGFNS exam in many instances. The other major issue is that the scores were so low to beign with, to see a passing rate of only 42% on top of all of the allegations means something is not right.

[suzanne4, RN]

I also don't see how you can cheat on a CAT- based NCLEX. IF the 50% quota on NLE is true I dont want to hear any yakking from the BON or Nursing deans about DECLINING passing rate compared to the 70's or 80' IF THEY are the ones putting obstacles in getting more passers.

Someone can eassily cheat if they have samples of exact questions before the exam, think about it. And how that is being done.

It should get everyone madder and they should all go after the ones that have made it hard on the rest of you. It need to be done over there, not in the US.

[chee_23]

hi! i am a nurse graduate from the phils and is interested in applying for a new mexico license. does anyone have an idea how long does it take to process the application papers & release the eligibility to take the nclex? i heard that it only takes 2 -4 months, is it true? and if the eligibility is processed & released to the applicant, how long is it valid for me to take & schedule for nclex? informations on these would be highy appreciated. thank you!

[chee_23]

Sorry! Looks like i have posted for the wrong subject.....

[miQ.]

There is no offiicial statement out that I am aware of. And while it is being argued in court, nothing will matter.

And again, there is not official word. And until that time..............

Since the PRC is maintaining its no-retake stand and assuming that the TRO will be lifted and we be allowed to register and take our oath, would it help if i take (and pass) the cgfns examination just so i can prove that my knowledge base is good enough?

I know its never good to make assumptions or play what ifs (you are correct, there is no oficial word yet from the courts) but im weighing my options here and I do want to plan ahead... Im just wondering if it would help if i have a cgfns certificate with me, just so facilities or hospitals in the US wont be reluctant giving me eligibility to sit for the nclex or hiring me as a nurse once i pass the nclex.

so my plan is if ever they do give our licence, i would apply for the cgfns exam...and after the english test, i would then file for nclex...do you think that's a good idea or am i just wasting money?

I've been reading posts saying that facilities in the US would not even think of hiring people from our batch... well, i really couldnt blame them considering the mess here in Manila... so Im thinking maybe it would help if these facilities/hospitals would see that I have CGFNS certificate attached to my credentials.

I intend to file my application in the vermont state and if im not mistaken they dont really require a cgfns certificate. But im more willing to shell out a few bucks for a cgfns exam than retake the NLE. I do want to regret taking it in the first place but that wouldnt make any difference so im just looking for whatever options I may have.

[suzanne4, RN]

Since the PRC is maintaining its no-retake stand and assuming that the TRO will be lifted and we be allowed to register and take our oath, would it help if i take (and pass) the cgfns examination just so i can prove that my knowledge base is good enough?

I know its never good to make assumptions or play what ifs (you are correct, there is no oficial word yet from the courts) but im weighing my options here and I do want to plan ahead... Im just wondering if it would help if i have a cgfns certificate with me, just so facilities or hospitals in the US wont be reluctant giving me eligibility to sit for the nclex or hiring me as a nurse once i pass the nclex.

so my plan is if ever they do give our licence, i would apply for the cgfns exam...and after the english test, i would then file for nclex...do you think that's a good idea or am i just wasting money?

I've been reading posts saying that facilities in the US would not even think of hiring people from our batch... well, i really couldnt blame them considering the mess here in Manila... so Im thinking maybe it would help if these facilities/hospitals would see that I have CGFNS certificate attached to my credentials.

I intend to file my application in the vermont state and if im not mistaken they dont really require a cgfns certificate. But im more willing to shell out a few bucks for a cgfns exam than retake the NLE. I do want to regret taking it in the first place but that wouldnt make any difference so im just looking for whatever options I may have.

Bigger problem that you have there is that CGFNS will not give you permission to sit for the exam, as it requires a local license to be able to take it. And there is no local license. So that is not an option for you. Best bet that will work in your favor is to actually retest, even though you do not want to do it. It will make you a better candidate to a facility, that you were willing to retest to prove what you know.