there are so many rumors that come out of manila on a daily basis, that i am going to take the time to post this, so please take the time to read it. it is crazy with the amount of pms and e-mails that i get because no one bothers to do any reading first, and relies only on the rumors floating around the country.
1. the us government doe not require that you pass the local exam for immigration purposes.
2. most states do not require that you take the local exam for licensure.
3. cgfns exam requires that you take and pass the local exam, but most states no longer require the exam.
4. if you are not already in final process of waiting for the embassy interview, there will not be any of the 50,000 visas available for you, the cut-off date tentatively for october is for the actual visa, not for when your petition was submitted. the visa numbers are counted noly when they are actually issued, not any time before that.
5. if immigration requires that you take the english exams, then they are not waived for you if a state requires them.
6. most states that have requirements want the toefl exam and they do not accept the ielts series. you will need to pass the toefl exam before you will be permitted to sit for an exam.
7. if you are in the us on a tourist visa, there is no automatic extension granted to you if you pass the nclex exam. and applying for any type of extension on that visa, will most likely get you sent home. it is extremely difficult to get an extension, and if they deny it, you will have no choice but to leave the country, even if you get a job offer. the attorneys that are telling you otherwise are only interested in collecting their fee from you, it makes no difference what happens to you as long as they file that petition for you.and they are not doing it for free.
8. do not let your visa fall out of status, no matter what your firends tell you. it is grounds for deportation if immigration so decides. and no return for ten years.
any questions concerning this needs to get posted on the international forum, not on this forum. i am posting this here, since so many of you are continuing to ask the same questions over and over again without reading first.
please take the time to read "thr primer" that is at the top of the international forum before you consider posting.
tagalog is not permitted in any post, and will be deleted. english is the only language that is to be used.
the only thing to do is to retest, or you will be waiting months if not years for the other.
ichp cannot verify a license therefore they cannot release a vsc.
remember that ichp is under contract to us immigration to provide services for them, they cannot just decide to make a change like this without getting approval from the federal govt as well.
any changes that i have seen made in the past have taken two years to get done. do ont think that anyone wants to wait that long.........
there are already news that the dec. 2006 exams will push through and that 20,000 has so far registered and a handful from the june 2006 batch passers registered as well.
the prc chair announced that, but it might be impossible without amending the philippine nursing act of 2002.
sec. 9. powers and duties of the board. - the board shall supervise and regulate the practice of the nursing profession and shall have the following powers, duties and functions:
(a) conduct the licensure examination for nurses;
sec. 12. licensure examination. - all applicants for license to practice nursing shall be required to pass a written examination, which shall be given by the board in such places and dates as may be designated by the commission: provided, that it shall be in accordance with republic act no. 8981, otherwise known as the "prc modernization act of 2000."
so to be legal and binding, either they amend the law, or they get bon members soon.
those who passed and chose the re-take have signed a waiver that their june 2006 results will be nullified if they re-take.
the prc announced that only 3 have done so.
this is most prob. the best decision they ever made. it's just barely 3 1/2 mos before the next nle. those who will re-take in dec. and passes can immediately apply for eligibility for nclex, the ces or cgfns certification (where applicable) w/o a fuss what so ever.
i agree.
best to iron out the problems and get on with their lives...instead of waiting for the resolution of the court cases, which can take years.
the way things are going over the diff. investigations, esp. the senate, where the senators are already fed up w/ the prc chairperson for not showing up on their inquiries, things are not looking bright.
Is it true that there would be np available green card for Nov. 2006
If you are not in the final stages of getting your US Embassy interview, there are no more visas available. They are expected to be used up by the end of October, at the lastest first of November, for the remaining ones from the 50,000.
There are no more visas available after that until they are released by immigration.
This is what we have been speaking about for months and minths and months.
In my opinion the PRC Chair is doing things from her own ideas and not based on the laws that needs to be followed. I think being ignorant of the law that she should know and making all the decisions she has made so far is what made everything worse. This is just my obervation.
She claims that they can be able to push through w/ the Dec boards w/ questions coming from the senior members or high-ranking officers from the Philippines Nurses Association (PNA) but as what pinoy_guy said; would this even be legal? It seems like she's doing a lot of mistakes one after the other. Would only make things worse if these is the case.
She claims that they can be able to push through w/ the Dec boards w/ questions coming from the senior members or high-ranking officers from the Philippines Nurses Association (PNA) but as what pinoy_guy said; would this even be legal? It seems like she's doing a lot of mistakes one after the other. Would only make things worse if these is the case.
oh my...i cant even imagine what the worst case scenario would be...especially in my case...if i decide to retake this december, there'd still be legal problems to contend with...there'd still be questions about the validity of examination in case the PRC chair decides to get on with the exam without a BON...:angryfire
i havent filed for a retake yet. im still weighing my options considering the new legal issues that are coming out, like what is mentioned above...scary loopholes that some can use to question the validity of the December examination if PRC fails to fill up the vacancies in the BON.
For now, il still wait to see how the Court of Appeals will handle this TRO and the motion for reconsideration filed by Atty Rene Saguisag. Im giving myself till the end of next month to decide. The one thing i need to check is if there is a deadline imposed for boardpassers who will decide for a retake.
I will have to check on this, but the previous announcement regarding the deadline for those who failed the previous examinations was set last month... but for first-timers it would be til November...Not sure for boardpassers... Another issue not clear to me is if there is any written guideline for those who plan to retake... because if I will file for a retake, i would opt to take ALL the five examinations, in that way i think i have better chances. Any thoughts?
she claims that they can be able to push through w/ the dec boards w/ questions coming from the senior members or high-ranking officers from the philippines nurses association (pna) but as what pinoy_guy said; would this even be legal? it seems like she's doing a lot of mistakes one after the other. would only make things worse if these is the case.
oh my...i cant even imagine what the worst case scenario would be...especially in my case...if i decide to retake this december, there'd still be legal problems to contend with...there'd still be questions about the validity of examination in case the prc chair decides to get on with the exam without a bon...:angryfire
prc is an agency whose members, as the governing body of the commission, exercise three functions: administrative, executive and policy-making. while philippine bon is mandated to administer nle, it is still under prc as a regulatory board of the nursing profession. the part of sec. 12 that says "...license...examination...given by the board..." of the phil. nursing act of 2002 is not absolute. note also the words after that, "...provided..." it also does not say the it should not be given by non-board members. since the bon seats are now empty and if it remains as such before the planned date of administration of dec 2006 nle, days prior to the scheduled nle the commission may just write a new policy or a directive so that the exam may be conducted.
some individuals have already been invited to sit in bon and they've refused. i'm sure you are aware of how politics runs in the phils. do you think that no one, not even one single person, is lobbying for someone to get appointed in bon? not too discourage you, but as ideal as we would like to be -- reality just bites. not everyone shares the sentiments of the ones who are being heard in the news. somehow, someway seven filipino nurses will have a seat in the bon sooner or later. also, it will be a long haul before bon can be taken out of prc.
just my 2 cents...
you can check out the document and take it to someone knowledgeable on governing bodies or even to a lawyer for interpretation. hope this helps anyone concerned.
i havent filed for a retake yet. im still weighing my options considering the new legal issues that are coming out, like what is mentioned above...scary loopholes that some can use to question the validity of the December examination if PRC fails to fill up the vacancies in the BON.
For now, il still wait to see how the Court of Appeals will handle this TRO and the motion for reconsideration filed by Atty Rene Saguisag. Im giving myself till the end of next month to decide. The one thing i need to check is if there is a deadline imposed for boardpassers who will decide for a retake.
I will have to check on this, but the previous announcement regarding the deadline for those who failed the previous examinations was set last month... but for first-timers it would be til November...Not sure for boardpassers... Another issue not clear to me is if there is any written guideline for those who plan to retake... because if I will file for a retake, i would opt to take ALL the five examinations, in that way i think i have better chances. Any thoughts?
I was also considering the retake... since the courts may take a long time before getting at a decision... but on second thought... I also don't have any assurance that the dec NLE would go smoothly... I really don't know... so I'd rather wait... and risk that... I'm just praying that the decision would be fair... We have suffered long enough... We should be working by now... so I would risk waiting... I know i passed the exam without any help from that leakage... It's hard to take the exam with all the apprehensions... I hope this would be okie soon... And besides.. the retake for me would cause alot of money which i don't have right now...
I'll be praying that you may reach a decision for you... God Bless.
I have been reading this blog with intrest and i might say i do find it strange. I guess the rumor mongering wont sieze as has been described by Suzanne. Enlighten me folks with so many Pinoys desperate to enter the US market fraudulant actions in the sense of cheating by some candidates during exams (alleged) and the PRC boards integrity being brought into question is just appalling.
My concern would be for those nurses who have slipped through and find themselves in units across the USA having committed these alleged acts prior to this fiasco unfolding. What i havent seen in this thread is people voicing concerns over those whos standard of nursing might be dubious through cheating. I have worked with someone in the uk who ended up not being a registered nurse after all from the middle east. Believe me i am not discriminating in any way .It made me double check every nursing action twice whilst being on shift with that person.Believe me you will get caught out
I guess if the PRC is not transparent in its vetting and execution of its duites ie exam monitoring then it does deserve a stain on its reputation. Subsequently nurses will suffer as a result and so be it. I can say this comfortably having trained in south africa and there is constant verification between other commonweath countries of our education standard.its a shame that innocent ones should be cought up in this
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prc is an agency whose members, as the governing body of the commission, exercise three functions: administrative, executive and policy-making. while philippine bon is mandated to administer nle, it is still under prc as a regulatory board of the nursing profession. the part of sec. 12 that says "...license...examination...given by the board..." of the phil. nursing act of 2002 is not absolute. note also the words after that, "...provided..." it also does not say the it should not be given by non-board members. since the bon seats are now empty and if it remains as such before the planned date of administration of dec 2006 nle, days prior to the scheduled nle the commission may just write a new policy or a directive so that the exam may be conducted.
some individuals have already been invited to sit in bon and they've refused. i'm sure you are aware of how politics runs in the phils. do you think that no one, not even one single person, is lobbying for someone to get appointed in bon? not too discourage you, but as ideal as we would like to be -- reality just bites. not everyone shares the sentiments of the ones who are being heard in the news. somehow, someway seven filipino nurses will have a seat in the bon sooner or later. also, it will be a long haul before bon can be taken out of prc.
just my 2 cents...
you can check out the document and take it to someone knowledgeable on governing bodies or even to a lawyer for interpretation. hope this helps anyone concerned.
but this the law, isn't it? it did say that the members of the bon should give it and although it did not say that it cannot be given by non-board members it is understood isn't it?
if this would be their reasoning then why not deans of nursing schools give it or other nursing associations other than pna? why the pna? i haven't read the whole document but did it say that members of the pna will be the ones next in line to give the questions if their are no members of the bon?
former senator eduardo angara who is the author of this law is already saying that the prc has violated it when they chose to do the computation the way they did and other course of actions they did along the way.
if everything is kosher, then why all the senate inquiries on the prc and the chairperson?
well, anyway they are offering the dec. board exams already w/o a bon and nothing can be done. just hoping that there won't be another controversy on how it is conducted.
the pna is not under the prc isn't it? someone enligten me on this. if they aren't then if another leakage happens again, would these members of the pna be punished administratively by the prc?
this also just my two cents and a friendly exchange of differing opinions is good. :wink2:
suzanne4, RN
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the only thing to do is to retest, or you will be waiting months if not years for the other.
ichp cannot verify a license therefore they cannot release a vsc.
remember that ichp is under contract to us immigration to provide services for them, they cannot just decide to make a change like this without getting approval from the federal govt as well.
any changes that i have seen made in the past have taken two years to get done. do ont think that anyone wants to wait that long.........
retest, then no problems.