Good grief. America's Frontline Doctors, a group of quacks who claim to know more than actual experts are pushing the use of ineffective parasite med to prevent and or treat COVID.
On a personal note, my hubby works for a farm store and has overheard customers explaining to each other how to dose animal wormer for people. This is in a community that is anti-mask, anti-vaccine, let's just all get infected. Up until, you know, they need hospitalization .
Ivermectin has NOT been proven to be a safe and effective prophylactic or treatment of Covid-19. No person should take it unless prescribed to them personally by a licensed medical provider.
Ivermectin is far more than a “horse wormer” and is approved for use in humans for various things all over the world. The scientist who discovered it won a Nobel prize for it. There is a lot of data out there supporting it’s use.
As someone who has had Covid twice I would never take it though. I was hiring new bench press PRs when I had the China virus last time
The fact that someone won a Nobel Prize for the discovery of a medication that treats infections caused by roundworm parasites is completelyirrelevant. That doesn’t in any way strengthen the argument that it might be effective against a wholly unrelatedvirus.
The fact that there isn’t even an agreed upon dosage and duration for the so called ”treatment” of Covid-19, but that people are looking to social media or friends in order to figure out how much horse med to take, is proof that it isn’t a proven treatment. People who take this when not prescribed to them by a medical provider are gambling with their health.
The data out there supporting the use of Ivermectin to treat a Covid-19 infection is WEAK. Have you even looked at the individual studies ”meta-analyzed” in the link you included? Most of them are weak, poorly designed, many of them small, non-blinded, not-randomized, unclear why participants dropped out, combined treatments like Ivermectin and Dexamethasone… ?! Dexamethasone is known to reduce mortality in severe cases. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351359435_Ivermectin_COVID-19_Miracle_Cure_or_Cruel_Hoax
Call a wambulance, someone is doing something outside of the guidelines of all the geniuses who are still trying to figure out what to do, change their minds weekly, contradict their previous recommendations frequently, and are authoritarian bureaucratics to the core...?
Emergent, I don’t understand your post. Doesn’t it bother you that people are poisoning themselves to the point of needing hospitalization because they’ve been taking a medication that doesn’t do what they hope it will, but turns out to harm them instead? Don’t you agree that spreading disinformation about treatments that are unproven, is actively harming people?
What makes this group “quacks”? Many other countries are utilizing Ivermectin and didn’t the CDC director just say that they are pushing boosters on “hope” rather than real data?
What I don’t understand is why these people are freaking out over something with over 99% survival rate for most populations.
Could be the refrigerated trucks full of bodies we had?
What makes this group “quacks”? Many other countries are utilizing Ivermectin and didn’t the CDC director just say that they are pushing boosters on “hope” rather than real data?
What I don’t understand is why these people are freaking out over something with over 99% survival rate for most populations.
Disregard my last response. I just re-read this post, saw your credentials, and realize you meant it sarcastically or ironically. Obviously you are being ironic, or just shooting for a reaction.
Nothing says that you are sheepishly following pseudoscience more than ingesting veterinary worming paste rather than accepting vaccination.
I don't personally understand how people are this daring. I was going to say brave but that definitely isn't the right sentiment.
But I must reluctantly add that there is a historical culture surrounding practices like this (which surely contributes to the present day version) that I don't find particularly appalling. I don't expect anyone else to understand.
I don't get WHY anyone would use a NON FDA approved horse medication to treat active disease rather than prevent it with a NOW FDA APPROVED vaccine. Seems like quackery to me! Isn't FDA approval what all the anti-vax crowd are concerned about?
Oops my bad. Of course not. The goal posts have moved!
Actually Ivermectin is a FDA approved medication. Using it for COVID would be an off label use as are many other medications.
I wouldn’t recommend someone get it from Tractor Supply as they would likely not know the correct dose or what else might be in it. But nonetheless, Ivermectin IS approved for human use.
Emergent, I don’t understand your post. Doesn’t it bother you that people are poisoning themselves to the point of needing hospitalization because they’ve been taking a medication that doesn’t do what they hope it will, but turns out to harm them instead? Don’t you agree that spreading disinformation about treatments that are unproven, is actively harming people?
People can do what they want and if they harm themselves in the process, so be it. No I don't care. I've seen people from all sides do stupid stuff. I'm certainly not going to start a hand-wringing thread, basically making fun of them while pretending to care about them.
It's like the church people who say "Bless your heart, I'll be praying for you ", which is code word for 'f u you moron'.
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Actually Ivermectin is a FDA approved medication. Using it for COVID would be an off label use as are many other medications.
I wouldn’t recommend someone get it from Tractor Supply as they would likely not know the correct dose or what else might be in it. But nonetheless, Ivermectin IS approved for human use.
Maybe the people deciding to treat themselves with Ivermectin in an off label fashion should use the human formulation rather than veterinary products. Our maybe they instinctively knew that the sheep formulation was appropriate for people following that social media guidance.
People can do what they want and if they harm themselves in the process, so be it. No I don't care. I've seen people from all sides do stupid stuff. I'm certainly not going to start a hand-wringing thread, basically making fun of them while pretending to care about them.
It's like the church people who say "Bless your heart, I'll be praying for you ", which is code word for 'f u you moron'.
I guess we reacted differently to OP’s post. I didn’t interpret it as hand-wringing. If that’s how you read it, I guess I can understand why you seem a bit annoyed (?) by it. It’s true that people can do stupid stuff but I can’t help being bothered when people are harmed because they’re taking healthcare advice from all the wrong places.
I actually thought this thread was quite timely. The CDC doesn’t issue health advisories willi-nilly and the one I linked above is just three days old. It’s very much a current public health issue. I think that the fact that Ivermectin isn’t an approved treatment for Covid-19 is information that needs to reach as many members of the public as possible. This is a nursing board so I think it is rather fitting that we talk about it here.
Actually Ivermectin is a FDA approved medication. Using it for COVID would be an off label use as are many other medications.
I wouldn’t recommend someone get it from Tractor Supply as they would likely not know the correct dose or what else might be in it. But nonetheless, Ivermectin IS approved for human use.
True, it is approved for parasite treatment. And if you go to the website for America's Frontline Doctors, they have a link to for an online consult who will charge you $90 for a consult, and then allow you to order the drug of your choice (HCQ or Ivermectin) for another charge. Easy peasy. And in my sarcasm voice, that seems all above board and prudent medical practice.
Actually Ivermectin is a FDA approved medication. Using it for COVID would be an off label use as are many other medications.
I wouldn’t recommend someone get it from Tractor Supply as they would likely not know the correct dose or what else might be in it. But nonetheless, Ivermectin IS approved for human use.
It’s not only Tractor Supply that wouldn’t know the ”correct dose”. Thereisno correct dose to treat or prevent a Covid-19 infection. There is insufficient study data to even say that it is effective at all or that the doses that might be effective are safe.
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Everybody should read the recently published CDC Health Advisory:
https://emergency.CDC.gov/han/2021/pdf/CDC_HAN_449.pdf
Ivermectin has NOT been proven to be a safe and effective prophylactic or treatment of Covid-19. No person should take it unless prescribed to them personally by a licensed medical provider.
The fact that someone won a Nobel Prize for the discovery of a medication that treats infections caused by roundworm parasites is completely irrelevant. That doesn’t in any way strengthen the argument that it might be effective against a wholly unrelated virus.
The fact that there isn’t even an agreed upon dosage and duration for the so called ”treatment” of Covid-19, but that people are looking to social media or friends in order to figure out how much horse med to take, is proof that it isn’t a proven treatment. People who take this when not prescribed to them by a medical provider are gambling with their health.
The data out there supporting the use of Ivermectin to treat a Covid-19 infection is WEAK. Have you even looked at the individual studies ”meta-analyzed” in the link you included? Most of them are weak, poorly designed, many of them small, non-blinded, not-randomized, unclear why participants dropped out, combined treatments like Ivermectin and Dexamethasone… ?! Dexamethasone is known to reduce mortality in severe cases.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351359435_Ivermectin_COVID-19_Miracle_Cure_or_Cruel_Hoax
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