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Just wondering how the pro lifers feel about this?

7 years old and I wonder how much happiness she was able to accumulate? 

I personally think that children until the age of thirteen should only be allowed to be children and play to their hearts content with some structure for education etc. 

I wonder how many opportunities this little girl had to do that and who should bear the responsibility? 

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1 hour ago, Cclm said:

I said I was against abortion at any stage. Try again. Not choosing abortion doesn't make someone "anti-abortion".  Beyond 1st trimester since you are confused/assumed ill to clarify.  In general. There could be extraordinary circumstances but as a general whole after 1st trimester. Imo. I don't actively run around telling people what do to with their bodies in any circumstance. 

Yes, you are anti (against) abortion at any stage.  

I have no idea what the sentences about the first trimester are intended to convey, they seem unrelated to the discussion at large.  

Did someone accuse you of running around and telling people what to do? I  certainly didn't.  You asked a question about making medical choices and I answered it. The way people control medical choices is by electing political legislators who will pass restrictive laws.  Was that just a flippant remark, not to be taken seriously?

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1 hour ago, Cclm said:

I said I was against abortion at any stage. 

You're not doing a good job at explaining why you're not "anti-abortion".   In my mind being against abortion is equivalent to being anti-abortion.  What am I missing here?

It's okay.  I'm anti-abortion myself, and like you said I am willing to let people make their own medical decisions along with their physician, families and stay out of it.  

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41 minutes ago, Tweety said:

You're not doing a good job at explaining why you're not "anti-abortion".   In my mind being against abortion is equivalent to being anti-abortion.  What am I missing here?

It's okay.  I'm anti-abortion myself, and like you said I am willing to let people make their own medical decisions along with their physician, families and stay out of it.  

That's a black and white stance. 

I am not okay with abortion for myself , I have my own moral issue with it. I have a line at stage of pregnancy however. The law I posted is too vague.

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49 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yes, you are anti (against) abortion at any stage.  

I have no idea what the sentences about the first trimester are intended to convey, they seem unrelated to the discussion at large.  

Did someone accuse you of running around and telling people what to do? I  certainly didn't.  You asked a question about making medical choices and I answered it. The way people control medical choices is by electing political legislators who will pass restrictive laws.  Was that just a flippant remark, not to be taken seriously?

I meant to say I am not against abortion, I have issues with stages of pregnancy it could occur. 

Yes. I've been told to not tell women what choices I make. 

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38 minutes ago, Cclm said:

That's a black and white stance. 

I am not okay with abortion for myself , I have my own moral issue with it. I have a line at stage of pregnancy however. The law I posted is too vague.

I don't mind having a black and white stance.  I'm anti-abortion, pretty black and white you're correct.

Where I jump into the grey is that I don't feel my opinion needs to be the law that a woman must follow.  I have never liked the idea of someone's definition of morality and the Bible deciding how other's should live.  

I generally stay out of it as it's not an issue I feel very strongly about.

 

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On 9/25/2021 at 2:05 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

Maybe you think that you should choose for other women too, eh? How is that a woman had no idea that late term abortions were wanted pregnancies? 

I'm a conservative but feel exactly this way! No one has the right to direct the reproductive health of another human, you don't know what has gone on in their life and it's no one's business. But I don't understand about the late terms being wanted, could you explain so that I can understand. Like what changed, etc? 

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12 hours ago, Tweety said:

It's always been the case that when you make a public post you're going to get responses back whether you like or desire the response or not.  I can appreciate that you don't want comments from a particular person, but there is a way for you to "ignore" them.  Maybe someone from administration or another member can help you with that.  I don't know how to do it because I'm too nosy.

It's against TOS to make a personal attack.  I think using someone's credentials to degrade their opinion qualifies, imo., and is just wrong.

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4 minutes ago, Beerman said:

It's against TOS to make a personal attack.  I think using someone's credentials to degrade their opinion qualifies, imo., and is just wrong.

I other words, it's pretty low to make judgement on how one does their job as a nurse based on what they post in this political discussion.

To me, thst is wrong and should be considered a personal attack.

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2 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I'm a conservative but feel exactly this way! No one has the right to direct the reproductive health of another human, you don't know what has gone on in their life and it's no one's business. But I don't understand about the late terms being wanted, could you explain so that I can understand. Like what changed, etc? 

Often, the mother becomes very ill. These tragic situations are not as common as the emotional manipulation would have us believe. 

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39 minutes ago, Beerman said:

It's against TOS to make a personal attack.  I think using someone's credentials to degrade their opinion qualifies, imo., and is just wrong.

Questioning credentials of anonymous members who post in ways inconsistent with possession of a degree in health sciences is not an attack per se.  It's healthy skepticism.  

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3 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I'm a conservative but feel exactly this way! No one has the right to direct the reproductive health of another human, you don't know what has gone on in their life and it's no one's business. But I don't understand about the late terms being wanted, could you explain so that I can understand. Like what changed, etc? 

The 1% or so abortions that are "late-term" abortions (less than 1% are after 24 weeks, about 1.3% are after 21 weeks) are usually women who expected to birth a child. They may have had baby showers, designed their nursery and are excited to bring home their newborn. But, the women may be experiencing life-threatening pregnancy complications such as premature rupture of membranes and infection, preeclampsia, placental abruption, and placenta accreta.

They could have discovered at a late ultrasound that there was a significant life-threatening complication with the fetus that would either have it die in the womb (and cause those risks/complications) or will die shortly after birth. Some women are content to birth a terminal child and feel better letting the neonate suffer in a NICU bed for hours or weeks before allowing the inevitable to occur. While I hate watching people suffer, I don't think it would be in my right to tell another person to have an abortion even if I find the outcome abhorrent. I despise child abuse.

Very few women would "choose" a late-term abortion. Women who do not wish to continue their pregnancy will opt to make it as early as possible. The delays they experience may be getting the finances together, mandatory waiting times, or lack of access to healthcare providers - basically delays caused by "anti-choicers" by their assault on accessible healthcare.

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

I don't mind having a black and white stance.  I'm anti-abortion, pretty black and white you're correct.

Where I jump into the grey is that I don't feel my opinion needs to be the law that a woman must follow.  I have never liked the idea of someone's definition of morality and the Bible deciding how other's should live.  

I generally stay out of it as it's not an issue I feel very strongly about.

 

I don't feel qualified as well to have an opinion, but I do feel qualified to look at the big picture and what it may represent. 

I asked earlier about where will they stop? 

Do you know, proportionally, the United States has likely the highest rate of men killing women in the world? Someone who actually might have known the woman? Femicide, I think it's called? Higher than the so called 'honor killing' countries. 

Just unpack that for a minute and see how much respect is accorded to women and what the legal system or religious institutions are doing about it? 

But Texas and other republican states are invested in abortion, IS THAT A FORM OF CONTROL? 

So continue voting for those republicans women and let's see what other ways they will find to subjugate you! I vote for kitchen confinement, because I have yet to meet a girlfriend who can cook ???. I'm sure Josh Hawley and Matt Gaetz and the Orangeburg, respect the hell out of you! 

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