President Biden thread

toomuchbaloney said:

Yawn

You must have missed the dozens of times that Trump has done similar or worse, because you certainly would hold Biden to a completely different standard on purpose, right? 

It's boring, this silly argument about the cognition of the two old  men. Both are old.  Both make verbal gaffes.  Only one tried to overthrow our government the last time he lost.  

The choice for Biden is easy if you care about law and order or the constitution. Trump threatens both of those things with his own words and actions.  

Well I commend you for your loyalty. 

Crusades said:

Is a high a temperature related to not being able to get an abortion? 

Or are you refering to the made up stories of women becoming sepsis and refused treatment because a republican state or bill? Due to the Dr being  too scarred to treat  the woman with an already deceased fetus which has now caused a systemic infection? 

A republican bill that no one has yet to produced to back up this scary camp fire story? 

I have said nothing about religion. Not a word so I'm unsure why you are referencing my religion? 

Baloney.  The stories aren't made up, you just don't care about those women enough to investigate the consequences of the restrictions that you favor.  

The laws which limit access to reproductive health care are either religious or authoritarian in nature, possibly both.  You can decide which motivates you.  

Crusades said:

Well I commend you for your loyalty. 

Loyalty is expected in Trump's orbit.  If sufficient loyalty isn't shown one could be subject to public humiliation or name calling when in Trump's circle.  

I don't think it's "loyalty" to vote for Biden.  For some of us it's a common sense decision.

Cruscades criticized Democrats for bering disloyal in asking him to step down, so I guess loyalty is important.

  However, I'm happy that Democrats have held Biden accountable and asked him to step down.  Democrats tend to be critical of Biden moreso that Republicans are critical of Trump, from my observations.  We saw this in the Afghanistan disaster, Democrats have criticized Biden's border policies (this was posted by Beerman I believe), many Democrats have criticized him for his Israel policies, they've criticized his level of communication, etc.  

I personally want him to step down immediately so the Democrats can regroup.  At the same time, I'm satisfied with how Biden has done the job so far.  Obviously, like all Presidents there have been hits and misses.  My vote for Biden is based on his competency as President so far and a vote for Harris, but most of all a vote against Trump not necessarily a blind loyalty to him.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Baloney.  The stories aren't made up, you just don't care about those women enough to investigate the consequences of the restrictions that you favor.  

The laws which limit access to reproductive health care are either religious or authoritarian in nature, possibly both.  You can decide which motivates you.  

K. please show me these bills that would restrict a woman with a diseased fetus who has turned septic.  

And cut the appeal to emotion fallacy

toomuchbaloney said:

I notice that you ignore the questions posed to you to ask another dumb question about why doctors recommend specific treatments for specific concerns. You are spinning so hard. 

 

What questions? 

Crusades said:

What questions? 

That explains so much.  

NRSKarenRN said:

The Supreme Court allows emergency abortions in Idaho for now in a limited ruling

Not quite what Crusades said "diseased fetus who has turned septic." but clearly physicians there understood she needed a medically necessary abortion but wouldn't provide it because of constraints by their laws.  

Tweety said:

Not quite what Crusades said "diseased fetus who has turned septic." but clearly physicians there understood she needed a medically necessary abortion but wouldn't provide it because of constraints by their laws.  

Crusades is simply repeating the right wing propaganda that they've been fed in their media bubble.  They are a victim of manipulation just like millions of others who have been convinced that restricting abortion saves babies rather than abuses women. 

toomuchbaloney said:

Crusades is simply repeating the right wing propaganda that they've been fed in their media bubble.  They are a victim of manipulation just like millions of others who have been convinced that restricting abortion saves babies rather than abuses women. 

I disagree.   Otherwise the same can be said of you swallowing left-wing propaganda that restricting abortion "abuses women".  

Tweety said:

I disagree.   Otherwise the same can be said of you swallowing left-wing propaganda that restricting abortion "abuses women".  

 

That abortion bans abuse women is my opinion, don't the abortion bans abuse women? Is KFF propaganda?  Or is the ABC story about women's experiences leftwing propaganda? Maybe you could be more specific so that we could discuss which manipulated or misleading or fabricated in information I have shared or mentioned that would rightly be called propaganda. 

I think when people believe things that aren't really true they are often manipulated by lies and propaganda.  This is especially true when those things are related to either political or religious beliefs.  Crusades seems to believe a few things which aren't true... about abortion, about Trump, about Trump's court cases, about covid, about the events of 010621, and on and on.  

I am aware that it is more upsetting for some when I address that propaganda and indoctrinated thinking directly than it is to have the right wing propaganda repeated here. That's part of why propaganda works... people get comfortable with the misinformation and uncomfortable with the confrontations with the lies and the repeaters of the lies.