President Biden thread

On every poll Biden has low approval ratings, so I believe them.  People don't think he's doing a good job.  I also understand that the make up of the country will automatically give him about 50% disapproval ratings from republicans.   Presidents are unpopular and rarely will you see one for a long period have a rating over 50%.  

Polls are important because it might give Democrats an area of focus, such as younger voters who seem to be turning from him.  

To me the question is going to be whether disapproval of Biden's overall job performance means someone will switch their vote to Trump or a 3rd party candidate.   

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/bidens-rough-2023-polls-don't-mean-2024-rcna130446

Tweety said:

On every poll Biden has low approval ratings, so I believe them.  People don't think he's doing a good job.  I also understand that the make up of the country will automatically give him about 50% disapproval ratings from republicans.   Presidents are unpopular and rarely will you see one for a long period have a rating over 50%.  

Polls are important because it might give Democrats an area of focus, such as younger voters who seem to be turning from him.  

To me the question is going to be whether disapproval of Biden's overall job performance means someone will switch their vote to Trump or a 3rd party candidate.   

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/bidens-rough-2023-polls-don't-mean-2024-rcna130446

I agree with you that come November, Trump needs people who might disapprove of Biden's efforts to ignore Trump's corruption, divisive rhetoric and evidence of criminal behavior to vote for Trump.  That is unlikely to happen, IMV.  He needs tens of millions of them to be so concerned about Biden that they will vote for a third party and that those voters won't know that such a vote benefits Trump. Patriots will be campaigning against that thinking, separately from the Biden campaign. Examples would be The Lincoln Project or Republican Accountability PAC or Koch's PAC. 

I think that is unlikely because moderate voters give Trump credit for the reversal of Roe and they understand that Trump will do what the extremists want in this area if reelected.  If the extremists want a national 6 week ban with vague exceptions; he'll deliver. Moderates and independents will vote against that. 

I think it's unlikely that moderate voters will vote for Trump because he lied to them throughout 2020 about the pandemic.  

I think it's unlikely that moderate voters will vote for Trump In 2024 because Trump is a sexual predator and financial fraudster according to the courts.  Moderates also know that Trump chose Putin over American intelligence experts and know that he would sacrifice Ukraine to fortify his personal relationship with Putin.  

Trump facilitated and fostered a divided population.  He is easily the most polarizing and divisive president of our lifetime.  Yet, after winning the Iowa caucus the other day, his bizarre and rambling speech tried to imply that he's now going to try to unify the American people behind his candidacy. 

None of this is to say that this next election is going to be a cakewalk for Biden. It's just an acknowledgement that Trump and GOP candidates are deeply associated with removal of women's reproductive rights, pandemic BS, racist dog whistles and crazy culture wars.  It's a acknowledgement that only 28% of Americans consider themselves republican, and extremist Republicans in congress aren't making a good case for moderates or independents to vote republican in the era of Trump. 

Beerman said:

No doubt he'll last another 5 years.

Comforting that Kamala is waiting, just in case.

 

Yes, I wish she were gone but I'll take her any day over Ladapo as Surgeon General.

Beerman said:

No doubt he'll last another 5 years.

Comforting that Kamala is waiting, just in case.

 

At least we can be confident that if Biden should lose the election he won't invite a mob to the Capitol to scare Harris into overthrowing the election results... even though Trump and his fans think that's an OK idea.  

nursel56 said:

I believe polling numbers are pretty meaningless at this point, despite the media narrative of conjuring a horse race that does not exist yet. I started to believe that when Ronna McDaniel (and some others) adopted a strategy of tossing bones to the Trump cult and moderate Republicans alternatively she created a fracture that it would be impossible to fix, because the defections were not about traditional policy differences, and those defectors were not going to be persuaded by tinkering with their messaging. They were never going to vote for Trump for any reason.

Then she seemed to believe she could unify the party by getting everyone to bash Biden and ignore the damage already inflicted by her silly "big tent" theme. Big tent worked well for Bill Clinton, in that he successfully appealed to the more liberal side of the Democrats as well as the centrists.

Now I just can't help but think there's a massive GOP trainwreck is about to unfold, because it doesn't seem like Trump is making the slightest effort to appeal to swing voters, his verbiage is becoming more bizarre, while at the same time painfully boring, and essentially unchanged from 2016 and 2020. 

If he picks Elise Stefanik as his running mate, he won't be able to do anything other than energize the already energized. 

I could be wrong on this, but I just can't see that more people will vote for Trump than they did when he lost in 2020, especially since he seems to enjoy the MAGA adulation more than anything these days.

It will be shocking if Trump chooses Stefanik, he can't even pronounce her name.

Beerman said:

Sound advice, and it worked last time.

"If I were Biden, I would stay hidden,” Jones said. "And I'll tell you why: He doesn't inspire confidence. He's not a great messenger for himself.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/id-stay-hidden-cnns-van-jones-urges-biden-to-repeat-2020-basement-campaign/

And yet he beat Trump quite handily in 2020. Meanwhile it looks like the GOP is going to stick with the twice impeached rapist with 91 felony indictments and the divisive rhetoric that will be hard pressed to appeal to moderates or independent voters... again. They decided to appeal to undecided or unaffiliated voters by bragging that their candidate was responsible for removing women's rights to make their own healthcare decisions. 

It is kind of funny that people think that Trump's confused, cognitively challenged and agitated word salad could be widely inspiring confidence. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-court-autoworkers-potential-endorsement-looms-2024-01-24/

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The United Auto Workers union endorsed U.S. President Joe Biden's reelection bid on Wednesday, with the union president delivering a fiery speech in Washington that was also harshly critical of Republican former President Donald Trump.

In a full-throated endorsement of the Democratic incumbent, UAW President Shawn Fain cited Biden's pro-union record and his decision to become the first president to join a union picket line this Summer during a successful autoworkers strike for higher pay. "Instead of talking trash about our union, Joe Biden stood with us," Fain said. Fain and Biden previously had sharp differences over electric vehicle policy, and the endorsement could be a strong boost to Biden in Michigan and other manufacturing states.

Notice how Biden had a difference with Fain over an issue and rather than trash talking the person who disagreed with him, Biden supported the union anyway.  

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Biden took the floor to loud cheers and applause from hundreds of UAW members, telling them, "I was so damn proud to stand in that picket line with you."

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Biden said Fain demonstrated "extraordinary leadership" during the UAW's historic strikes and called him a "leader with a backbone, a backbone like a ramrod."

Biden also vowed to push back against the outflow of manufacturing jobs to China and touted the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act, which is offering incentives for automakers and others to manufacture in the U.S.

Biden said Fain demonstrated "extraordinary leadership" during the UAW's historic strikes and called him a "leader with a backbone, a backbone like a ramrod."

Biden also vowed to push back against the outflow of manufacturing jobs to China and touted the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act, which is offering incentives for automakers and others to manufacture in the U.S.

"A leader with a backbone".

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Fain said the decision to endorse Biden was unanimous among union board members and a key factor was Biden's decision to join a picket line. He said the union is "going to go to work now. ... We're going to push like hell" to get Biden reelected, and said it could be key in states like Michigan.

Beerman said:

The slurring aside, I wonder what he meant?

"We'll teach Donald Trump a valuable lesson: Don't mess with the women of America unless you want to get the benefit!" 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-touts-fiery-biden-abortion-speech-despite-flub-frequent-interruptions

Gee, maybe we'll find out in November what that meant, if we don't figure it out before then.