President Biden thread

chare said:

In the absence of a viable third party candidate or, in the minds of most Republicans a more palatable Democratic candidate than Mr. Biden, I suspect most Republicans will support Mr. Trump, should he be the Republican nominee.

I think that reflects a dangerous level of indoctrination.  What do you think that willingness to support an obviously corrupt and dangerous despot reflects?

chare said:

In the absence of a viable third party candidate or, in the minds of most Republicans a more palatable Democratic candidate than Mr. Biden, I suspect most Republicans will support Mr. Trump, should he be the Republican nominee.

I lost count, but aren't there 12 Republicans running for the nomination?  Surely there's a somewhat honest Republican, not criminally indicted that believes in Democracy and conservative policy that Republicans can get behind.  

But I agree, that if he gets the nomination and so far it's looking like he will., Republicans will vote for him instead of Biden.

toomuchbaloney said:

I think that reflects a dangerous level of indoctrination.  What do you think that willingness to support an obviously corrupt and dangerous despot reflects?

With each indictment his numbers rise, I think it reflects something really dark happening to people, but that's the million dollar question I haven't been able to grasp for years now.  

toomuchbaloney said:

I think that reflects a dangerous level of indoctrination.  What do you think that willingness to support an obviously corrupt and dangerous despot reflects?

It reflects that the handbasket to hell has overcome the speed of gravity and it falling faster than 32 feet per second/per second.  It will probably land on a  forest fire.

Tweety said:

I lost count, but aren't there 12 Republicans running for the nomination?  Surely there's a somewhat honest Republican, not criminally indicted that believes in Democracy and conservative policy that Republicans can get behind.  

But I agree, that if he gets the nomination and so far it's looking like he will., Republicans will vote for him instead of Biden.

With each indictment his numbers rise, I think it reflects something really dark happening to people, but that's the million dollar question I haven't been able to grasp for years now.  

With each indictment we see that Trump's sway of the republican voting base is following the same path taken by European conservatives in 1930s. Their beloved leader went to jail too, where he served only a handful of months.  He used that time wisely, that's when that fellow wrote a rather famous book. Our fascist despot doesn't have the mental chops to write a book if he goes to prison but his popularity won't evaporate. 

Of course it's going to get dark. Trump projected darkness with his speech about American carnage.  He was reported to enjoy the violence on his behalf on 010621. The fellow is clearly a sociopath and it's easy to see evidence of psychopathy.

Tweety said:

I lost count, but aren't there 12 Republicans running for the nomination?  Surely there's a somewhat honest Republican, not criminally indicted that believes in Democracy and conservative policy that Republicans can get behind.  

But I agree, that if he gets the nomination and so far it's looking like he will., Republicans will vote for him instead of Biden.

With each indictment his numbers rise, I think it reflects something really dark happening to people, but that's the million dollar question I haven't been able to grasp for years now.  

If there were an honest conservative, Republican running,  they would be crucified by their own party.  It appears that there isn't enough decent amongst them to support the anti-Trump.  Look at what how they try to cancel Romney.

Beerman said:

I don't really understand your point.  They were never-Trumpers.  They thought Biden is the lesser evil.  Many voted that way.

I only mentioned the host I listen to was a under secretary Bush administration because that qualified him as someone who had been around lots of those people.

My point, if there was one, is that those people had been around lots of those same people and didn't come up with the same conclusion.  If they thought he was dispicable they wouldn't have raised money for him just because he was the lessor of two evils.  They would have went with the Republican evil or not formed a PAC at all.  Why would they put their reputation on the line for a despicable person?  

 In my opinion.  There really was no point but just something I was thinking.  Anyway, no need to go around and around with it.

To me this one was on the scenarios that I talked about a few weeks ago.  That Hunter Biden was using his father's name and name dropping it.  

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Devon Archer told the House Oversight Committee on Monday that his former business partner, Hunter Biden, was selling the "illusion" of access to his father, according to a source familiar with the closed-door interview, the latest development in the Republican-led congressional investigations into the president's son. 

The source also reiterated that Archer provided no evidence connecting President Joe Biden to any of his son's foreign business dealings.

After the interview concluded, a second source told CNN that Archer did affirm to the committee that Hunter Biden was selling the "illusion" of access to his father, but later clarified that the president's son was actually selling the illusion of access to Washington, DC, and knowledge of how it worked.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/31/politics/devon-archer-house-testimony/index.html

chare said:

In the absence of a viable third party candidate or, in the minds of most Republicans a more palatable Democratic candidate than Mr. Biden, I suspect most Republicans will support Mr. Trump, should he be the Republican nominee.

Seems odd that there has been no talk of write-in candidates. Isn't that how Murkowski got elected back in the day?

As a conservative, who would you nominate?

heron said:

Seems odd that there has been no talk of write-in candidates. Isn't that how Murkowski got elected back in the day?

As a conservative, who would you nominate?

I think there's a big difference in winning a senate seat as a write- in candidate in a state with fewer than 1 million residents and winning the GOP national primary as a write-in.  Lots of moderates support Murkowski. Republican candidates have to step too far right on social issues during the primaries to get the support of many moderates. 

I've been listening to the public speeches and interviews with the candidates.  Nikki Haley and Will Hurd are starting to speak truth about Trump along with Hutchinson and Christy. The primary vote is still up for grabs. Let's hope that enough republican voters begin to recognize the warning signs of fascism in a couple of their candidates before it's too late

toomuchbaloney said:

I think there's a big difference in winning a senate seat as a write- in candidate in a state with fewer than 1 million residents and winning the GOP national primary as a write-in.  Lots of moderates support Murkowski. Republican candidates have to step too far right on social issues during the primaries to get the support of many moderates. 

I think too with ranked choice voting she feels more free to express herself.  She voted to impeach Trump, called for him to resign, and unlike Ted Cruz who puts forth the conspiracy theory that the DOJ is out to stop Trump from being President,  says that Trump was offered due process in the indictments.  I can see why moderates there might like her.

Tweety said:

I think too with ranked choice voting she feels more free to express herself.  She voted to impeach Trump, called for him to resign, and unlike Ted Cruz who puts forth the conspiracy theory that the DOJ is out to stop Trump from being President,  says that Trump was offered due process in the indictments.  I can see why moderates there might like her.

 

She's no moderate.  She signed a harsh anti abortion bill while she was governor.  Her only true stance is as an apologist for the fringe of the right. I believe she doesn't know what she believes...except for abortion.

subee said:

She's no moderate.  She signed a harsh anti abortion bill while she was governor.  Her only true stance is as an apologist for the fringe of the right. I believe she doesn't know what she believes...except for abortion.

Fair enough, I don't believe myself or TMB said she was a moderate, but that some moderates like her.  She wins points from me for standing up against Trump, but I would never vote for her, 

While the majority of moderates are for abortion, about 1/3 are not.  Many might be like myself are against it but stay out of the discussion for other people.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/views-about-abortion/by/region/among/political-ideology/moderate/