President Biden thread

36 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Many instances of it.  This opinion piece points out some examples:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/06/biden-maga-speech-hypocrisy/

And, it even seems they are proud to be using it as a political strategy:

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106256047/why-democrats-are-paying-for-ads-supporting-republican-primary-candidates

 

 

Thanks for the links. Based on this information I think it’s difficult to estimate how common this is. Is it 1% of all the nationwide elections? More? Less? I would think, and hope, that it’s not more than a handful.

I don’t think it proves that President Biden doesn’t genuinely view MAGAism as a threat. Without knowing the man, I’m still fairly certain that he does. 

I think the links you provided indicate that at least some individual politicians might be prepared to use some rather sleazy strategies. That doesn’t translate into them thinking that Trumpism isn’t a threat. After all, the individuals who do this seem to be deploying this tactic because they think it offers them the best chance of defeating the Republican opponent. It’s a calculated risk that can backfire. I personally don’t like the strategy. I think it’s a reckless gamble and that it’s one of those things that risks fueling feelings of contempt against politicians. And in my opinion they’re putting themselves in a position where they have no one else to blame than themselves should they lose.

21 minutes ago, Beerman said:

What % of elections it is doesn't matter.  You asked for one, btw.  Now, your moving the goalposts.

I didn’t ask for one. I asked IF it was one (or a nationwide, widespread pattern). I had no idea what you were referring to so I was trying to get you to quantify the phenomenon. The perceived moving of goalposts is your reading comprehension or interpretation. 

Of course it matters how widespread this is. If it’s for example a dozen instances across the entire country, then that is a very small part of the total elections and can hardly be used to paint an entire political party with that particular brush. If it’s half of all the races, that would point to a ”culture” within the party. 

27 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Or, if they believe the threat to Democracy is real, what does that say about them, playing such a dangerous game of politics by taking out some of the obstacles to those dangerous candidates?

I already answered that. Didn’t I specifically say that I consider the strategy to be reckless? That’s not an ambiguous word. 

Seems like it's a few isolated races rather than a larger party strategy.  

9 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So much noise to distract from the important stuff. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-says-bidens-thoughts-are-with-queen-elizabeth-her-family-2022-09-08/

The Queen has now died.  

I just had a look at one of the last photos taken before she died. 

The joy on her face …

On 9/8/2022 at 5:43 PM, Beerman said:

I'm amazed how often many of you take the time and effort to point out that my perception and opinion is, my perception and opinion.

Thanks.

Not really the meat of my post, but yes, you moved the goalposts.

I disagree.  The poster asks for some links and you provided them.  If anything that was the goal post for you to provide the link.

That the poster commented on the links you provided is not moving the goalposts.  But carry on.

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Democrats give a boost to Republican primary candidates with extreme views, hoping they will be less competitive in a general election than a more moderate GOP candidate. It's a risky move with potential to backfire. 

I think it's kind of shady myself.  You should pay for candidates that you believe in and support.  

But I also understand that the extremist views of some candidates needs to be exposed.  It's work for them in the past.  

From your article.  

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MCCASKILL: I think it depends on the district. If there is confidence that the voters in that district are going to reject that extremism, then I think elevating them may be a smart strategy. But it is a big mistake to do it in a district where a Trump candidate has as good or better chance of getting elected than a more moderate one.

But I suppose on the surface you can wonder, "are extremists a threat? because you're paying to promote them?".

But ad containing only the opposition in a negative light at their worst is nothing new.  

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President Joe Biden’s approval ratings are on the rise after months of historically low polling, according to a Reuters/Ipsos survey released on Tuesday that placed the president’s approval rating at 40%.

Biden’s approval rating dropped below 50% last year and hit a record-low for his presidency, in May, when it was at 36%. For many Americans, the Biden presidency has been marked by issues including inflation and the economic aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic.

It's still a bad approval rating, but some polls have his rating rising as much as nine points.  But Fox News has it's work cut out.  They are trying if yesterday's anti-border policy rant while having an inflation party is an indication. (was with a patient that was watching it in the afternoon.  I was a good nurse and didn't comment.)

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2022-08-10/bidens-approval-ratings-rebound-after-historic-lows

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

It's still a bad approval rating, but some polls have his rating rising as much as nine points.  But Fox News has it's work cut out.  They are trying if yesterday's anti-border policy rant while having an inflation party is an indication. (was with a patient that was watching it in the afternoon.  I was a good nurse and didn't comment.)

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2022-08-10/bidens-approval-ratings-rebound-after-historic-lows

Fox and other right wing commentary is very experienced with and gets good results with misleading information and highlighting grievance.  I'm not concerned about their ability to keep people agitated and angry,  I think they've proven themselves over and over. It doesn't take that much to have conservatives across the country upset about all manner of silly or mistepresented events or situations.  Just consider the distress over children's books, or Disney characters or coffee shop cup logos, or Christmas language,  etc that serve to keep conservative folk stirred up. It's a stream of grievance and discomfort. 

4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Fox and other right wing commentary is very experienced with and gets good results with misleading information and highlighting grievance.  I'm not concerned about their ability to keep people agitated and angry,  I think they've proven themselves over and over. It doesn't take that much to have conservatives across the country upset about all manner of silly or mistepresented events or situations.  Just consider the distress over children's books, or Disney characters or coffee shop cup logos, or Christmas language,  etc that serve to keep conservative folk stirred up. It's a stream of grievance and discomfort. 

Absolutely love this response!!

7 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Fox and other right wing commentary is very experienced with and gets good results with misleading information and highlighting grievance.  I'm not concerned about their ability to keep people agitated and angry,  I think they've proven themselves over and over. It doesn't take that much to have conservatives across the country upset about all manner of silly or mistepresented events or situations.  Just consider the distress over children's books, or Disney characters or coffee shop cup logos, or Christmas language,  etc that serve to keep conservative folk stirred up. It's a stream of grievance and discomfort. 

....or a tan suit worn by Obama.  LOL

I was on the treadmill at the gym and looked up periodically to Fox News and they again were covering crime. I see this frequently and I only see it at work or the gym.  Looking at the footage you think that "Dem run cities" were ablaze with violence.  

While gun violence is a concern, I think they are deflecting what's really on people's minds and that's abortion.  After Kansas they fear they might be losing ground, so best convince the viewing audience that Democrats are making them unsafe.

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Fox News and Republicans try to shift attention to crime as midterms loom

Rightwing leaders push ‘soft on crime’ narrative to propel Republicans this fall, as most voters focus on abortion rights

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/16/midterms-crime-fox-news-tucker-carlson-republicans-abortion